Yeah, I think that’s where we disagree. I think that humans are likely to achieve their values-on-reflection, I just don’t know what a human’s “values-on-reflection” would actually be (eg. could be that they want an authoritarian regime with them in charge).
It’s also possible that we have different concepts of values-on-reflection. Eg. maybe you mean that I have found my values-on-reflection only if I’ve cleared out all epistemic pits somehow and then thought for a long time with the explicit goal of figuring out what I value, whereas I would use a looser criterion. (I’m not sure what exactly.)
Yeah, what you described indeed matches my notion of “values-on-reflection” pretty well. So for example, I think a religious person’s values-on-reflection should include valuing logical consistency and coherent logical arguments (because they do implicitly care about those in their everyday lives, even if they explicitly deny it). This means their values-on-reflection should include having true beliefs, and thus be atheistic. But I also wouldn’t generally trust religious people to update away from religion if they reflected a bunch.
Yeah, I think that’s where we disagree. I think that humans are likely to achieve their values-on-reflection, I just don’t know what a human’s “values-on-reflection” would actually be (eg. could be that they want an authoritarian regime with them in charge).
It’s also possible that we have different concepts of values-on-reflection. Eg. maybe you mean that I have found my values-on-reflection only if I’ve cleared out all epistemic pits somehow and then thought for a long time with the explicit goal of figuring out what I value, whereas I would use a looser criterion. (I’m not sure what exactly.)
Yeah, what you described indeed matches my notion of “values-on-reflection” pretty well. So for example, I think a religious person’s values-on-reflection should include valuing logical consistency and coherent logical arguments (because they do implicitly care about those in their everyday lives, even if they explicitly deny it). This means their values-on-reflection should include having true beliefs, and thus be atheistic. But I also wouldn’t generally trust religious people to update away from religion if they reflected a bunch.