If I may jump in a bit: I’m not sure ‘advice’ can actually hit the right spot here, for “getting out of the car”-style reasons—in this case, something like “trying to look up ‘how to put down the instruction manual and start operating the machine’ in the instruction manual”. That is, if “receiving advice” is a “thinking”-type activity in mental state, the framing obliterates the message in transit. So in some ways the best available answer would be something like “stop waiting for an answer to that question”, but even that is inherently corruptible once put into words, per above. And while there are plausibly more detailed structures that can be communicated around things like “how do you set up life patterns that create the preconditions for that switch more consistently”, those require a lot more shared context to be useful, and it’s really easy to go down a rabbit hole of those as a way of not switching to doing, if there’s emotional blocks or other self-defending inertia in the way of switching. I don’t know if any of that helps.
That is, if “receiving advice” is a “thinking”-type activity in mental state, the framing obliterates the message in transit.
there must be some true description of the switch, for it is a physical process. and i’ve seen advice about doing things, like trigger action plans. so i think advice must be possible.
I don’t think it’s not describable, only that such a description being received by someone whose initial mental state is on “thinking about wanting to get better at switching away from thinking” won’t (by default) play the role of effective advice, because for that to work, it needs to be empowered by the recipient processing the message using a version of what it’s trying to describe. If you already have the pattern for that, then seeing that part described may act as a signal to flatten the chain, as it were; if you don’t, then advice in the usual sense has a high chance of falling flat starting from the mental state you’re processing it in, and you might need something more directly experiential (or at least more indirect and koan-like) to get the necessary start.
If I may jump in a bit: I’m not sure ‘advice’ can actually hit the right spot here, for “getting out of the car”-style reasons—in this case, something like “trying to look up ‘how to put down the instruction manual and start operating the machine’ in the instruction manual”. That is, if “receiving advice” is a “thinking”-type activity in mental state, the framing obliterates the message in transit. So in some ways the best available answer would be something like “stop waiting for an answer to that question”, but even that is inherently corruptible once put into words, per above. And while there are plausibly more detailed structures that can be communicated around things like “how do you set up life patterns that create the preconditions for that switch more consistently”, those require a lot more shared context to be useful, and it’s really easy to go down a rabbit hole of those as a way of not switching to doing, if there’s emotional blocks or other self-defending inertia in the way of switching. I don’t know if any of that helps.
there must be some true description of the switch, for it is a physical process. and i’ve seen advice about doing things, like trigger action plans. so i think advice must be possible.
I don’t think it’s not describable, only that such a description being received by someone whose initial mental state is on “thinking about wanting to get better at switching away from thinking” won’t (by default) play the role of effective advice, because for that to work, it needs to be empowered by the recipient processing the message using a version of what it’s trying to describe. If you already have the pattern for that, then seeing that part described may act as a signal to flatten the chain, as it were; if you don’t, then advice in the usual sense has a high chance of falling flat starting from the mental state you’re processing it in, and you might need something more directly experiential (or at least more indirect and koan-like) to get the necessary start.