Ya know, it’s people like you what cause people to spend their lives silent and paralyzed by indecision for fear of making a single social error that they will never be allowed to correct.
Ya know, it’s people like you what cause people to spend their lives silent and paralyzed by indecision for fear of making a single social error that they will never be allowed to correct.
You did notice that you’re doing the exact same thing sie is doing, right? (That is, jumping to a conclusion about what kind of person someone is, based on a single action.)
Gender neutral. “Mitchell Porter” sounds male, but for some reason my brain pings back that I’ve heard of a female with that exact first and last name, and the probability it could be that Mitchell Porter seems high.
No, that would be saying, “I will never again reply to any thread in which you have participated” or something like that. The important thing is to be allowed to say “Oops”.
I didn’t say that you were doing the same thing you were accusing hir of doing; I said you were both jumping to conclusions about character on the basis of single actions. And hir objection, while a significant over-reaction, didn’t go so far as to directly reduce you to a mere class of person.
If you’d said that throwing tantrums like that caused people to spend their lives silent and paralyzed, that’d get the same point across without stooping to the actual personal attack of “people like you”.
(Certainly, some people might still take it as a personal attack without that phrase, but you’d be less likely to have your existing allies take up their side, interpreting you as needlessly kicking an underdog.)
Ya know, it’s people like you what cause people to spend their lives silent and paralyzed by indecision for fear of making a single social error that they will never be allowed to correct.
On a related note, I am very pleased thus far with Eliezer’s performance as Less Wrong dictator. I very much doubt that the quality of discourse would be this high if he didn’t decide to ban the mention of The Topics that Must Not be Named or warn against engaging in discussion of mind-killing things like politics.
Ya know, it’s people like you what cause people to spend their lives silent and paralyzed by indecision for fear of making a single social error that they will never be allowed to correct.
Alternate causal model: It is people that spend their lives silent and paralyzed by indecision for fear of making a single social error not seeking suitable treatment for crippling anxiety that causes said lifelong phenomenon.
Maybe it’s an over-reaction; do I really want to maintain a permanent vote of no confidence (via post-boycott) regarding your editorial judgment, because of one mistake? You have to put up with lots of ridiculous crap, just by trying to do what you’re doing (or what you were doing, before it turned into generalized rationality outreach); am I just adding to that?
Or perhaps adhering to my word would be a constructively adversarial thing to do in this instance. Oddly enough, the last time I made an inconvenient pledge on this site turns out to be relevant. That was the bet about AspiringKnitter’s identity. One of AK’s stated reasons for showing up here was fear that SIAI would one day (via the power of a super-AI) engage in non-consensual modifications of human value systems. And the standard view is that getting AI values wrong is indeed an “error that [you] will never be allowed to correct”—but in this case, it won’t be society that prevents you from saying oops, it will just be reality.
So if you’re having any adverse reactions to this instance of ostentatious righteousness, try to redirect that energy towards getting the real job done. You’ll have my support in that respect!
I think you were fairly justified in changing the title, but i would think people have good reason to fear an error that could never be corrected. Why else would it be valuable to discern the future ramifications of a decision? Also i should probably note that you could correct this if you wanted to, but have insufficient reason to consider this an error. Again, I think the title change was a good thing, but that last comment felt like it was cheating on a site as devoted to precision in argument as we are. Also, Mitchell_Porter’s overreaction hardly reveals enough about his character to justify a widespread negative effect on society caused by such personalities.
Ya know, it’s people like you what cause people to spend their lives silent and paralyzed by indecision for fear of making a single social error that they will never be allowed to correct.
You did notice that you’re doing the exact same thing sie is doing, right? (That is, jumping to a conclusion about what kind of person someone is, based on a single action.)
Out of interest is “sie” one of those gender neutral terms that have been invented or a typo?
Gender neutral. “Mitchell Porter” sounds male, but for some reason my brain pings back that I’ve heard of a female with that exact first and last name, and the probability it could be that Mitchell Porter seems high.
Bad choice; it’s German for “she”.
The ‘i’ key is not adjacent to ‘s’, ‘h’ or ‘e’, so I guess it’s intentional.
No, that would be saying, “I will never again reply to any thread in which you have participated” or something like that. The important thing is to be allowed to say “Oops”.
I didn’t say that you were doing the same thing you were accusing hir of doing; I said you were both jumping to conclusions about character on the basis of single actions. And hir objection, while a significant over-reaction, didn’t go so far as to directly reduce you to a mere class of person.
If you’d said that throwing tantrums like that caused people to spend their lives silent and paralyzed, that’d get the same point across without stooping to the actual personal attack of “people like you”.
(Certainly, some people might still take it as a personal attack without that phrase, but you’d be less likely to have your existing allies take up their side, interpreting you as needlessly kicking an underdog.)
Either you are committing the fundamental attribution error or I am suffering from WYSIATI.
On a related note, I am very pleased thus far with Eliezer’s performance as Less Wrong dictator. I very much doubt that the quality of discourse would be this high if he didn’t decide to ban the mention of The Topics that Must Not be Named or warn against engaging in discussion of mind-killing things like politics.
Starts to make some kind of body language gesture to convey being in this category, but chickens out halfway through and slinks away...
Alternate causal model: It is people that spend their lives silent and paralyzed by indecision for fear of making a single social error not seeking suitable treatment for crippling anxiety that causes said lifelong phenomenon.
These are not mutually exclusive alternatives. They could easily both be true.
Maybe it’s an over-reaction; do I really want to maintain a permanent vote of no confidence (via post-boycott) regarding your editorial judgment, because of one mistake? You have to put up with lots of ridiculous crap, just by trying to do what you’re doing (or what you were doing, before it turned into generalized rationality outreach); am I just adding to that?
Or perhaps adhering to my word would be a constructively adversarial thing to do in this instance. Oddly enough, the last time I made an inconvenient pledge on this site turns out to be relevant. That was the bet about AspiringKnitter’s identity. One of AK’s stated reasons for showing up here was fear that SIAI would one day (via the power of a super-AI) engage in non-consensual modifications of human value systems. And the standard view is that getting AI values wrong is indeed an “error that [you] will never be allowed to correct”—but in this case, it won’t be society that prevents you from saying oops, it will just be reality.
So if you’re having any adverse reactions to this instance of ostentatious righteousness, try to redirect that energy towards getting the real job done. You’ll have my support in that respect!
I think you were fairly justified in changing the title, but i would think people have good reason to fear an error that could never be corrected. Why else would it be valuable to discern the future ramifications of a decision? Also i should probably note that you could correct this if you wanted to, but have insufficient reason to consider this an error. Again, I think the title change was a good thing, but that last comment felt like it was cheating on a site as devoted to precision in argument as we are. Also, Mitchell_Porter’s overreaction hardly reveals enough about his character to justify a widespread negative effect on society caused by such personalities.