Every retrospective I know of has shown them to do a terrible job. Note the failures are not even obviously ideological. They have protected the normal sort of abuser. But they also protected Kathy Forth who was a serial false accuser (yes they banned her from some events but she was still active in EA spaces until her suicide).
Would you expect to see retrospectives of cases where they did a good job? If an investigation concludes that “X made these accusations about Y but we determined them to be meritless”, then there are good reasons for neither CEA nor X to bring further attention to those accusations by including them in a public retrospective. Or in cases where accusations are determined to have merit, it may still be that the victims don’t want the case to be discussed in public any more than strictly necessary. Or there may be concerns of a libel suit from the wrongdoer, limiting what can be said openly.
If I’m wrong about this specific case, it’s because of idiosyncratic details and because I didn’t do as much research on this particular org relative to other people here. If I was wrong in this specific case, it would be a very weak update against my stance that EA orgs should be robust against sudden public backlash, due to features specific to the Community health team, not a strong update that I’m wrong about the vulnerabilities. The vulnerability that I’m researching is a technical issue, which remains an external threat regardless of specific details about who-did-what, and all I can say about it here is that this internal conflict is a lot more dangerous than it appears to any of the participants initiating it.
We’re basically doomed to continue talking past eachother here. You don’t seem to be willing to give tons of detail here about how, exactly, the Community Health And Special Projects team is too corrupt to function. I’m not willing to give tons of detail here about external threats that are vastly more significant than any internal drama within EA, which means I can’t explain the details demonstrating why external threats to EA actually dominate the calculus of how important is the Community Health And Special Projects team or whether it should be disbanded.
Every retrospective I know of has shown them to do a terrible job. Note the failures are not even obviously ideological. They have protected the normal sort of abuser. But they also protected Kathy Forth who was a serial false accuser (yes they banned her from some events but she was still active in EA spaces until her suicide).
Would you expect to see retrospectives of cases where they did a good job? If an investigation concludes that “X made these accusations about Y but we determined them to be meritless”, then there are good reasons for neither CEA nor X to bring further attention to those accusations by including them in a public retrospective. Or in cases where accusations are determined to have merit, it may still be that the victims don’t want the case to be discussed in public any more than strictly necessary. Or there may be concerns of a libel suit from the wrongdoer, limiting what can be said openly.
I am extremely, extremely against disposing of important-sounding EA institutions based off of popular will, as this is a vulnerability that is extremely exploitable by outsiders and we should not create precedent/incentives to exploit that vulnerability.
If I’m wrong about this specific case, it’s because of idiosyncratic details and because I didn’t do as much research on this particular org relative to other people here. If I was wrong in this specific case, it would be a very weak update against my stance that EA orgs should be robust against sudden public backlash, due to features specific to the Community health team, not a strong update that I’m wrong about the vulnerabilities. The vulnerability that I’m researching is a technical issue, which remains an external threat regardless of specific details about who-did-what, and all I can say about it here is that this internal conflict is a lot more dangerous than it appears to any of the participants initiating it.
This is a specific claim about what specific people should do
We’re basically doomed to continue talking past eachother here. You don’t seem to be willing to give tons of detail here about how, exactly, the Community Health And Special Projects team is too corrupt to function. I’m not willing to give tons of detail here about external threats that are vastly more significant than any internal drama within EA, which means I can’t explain the details demonstrating why external threats to EA actually dominate the calculus of how important is the Community Health And Special Projects team or whether it should be disbanded.