I disagree. ;) Specifically because knowing who disagrees with me gives me way more evidence than just knowing that someone disagrees with me. Practically speaking I do not consider downvotes evidence that I am wrong (they are generally just evidence that people dislike what I say because it sounds pretentious or because it pattern matches to something that could be wrong), whereas I would consider a simple “I disagree” comment from e.g. Nick Tarleton some evidence that I was wrong and should spend effort finding out why. (This isn’t mostly because Nick is a good thinker (though he is) but that I think it’s a lot less likely he’ll uncharitably misinterpret what I’m trying to say, whereas an “I disagree” comment from Vladimir Nesov is a lot less evidence that I’m wrong even though he is also an excellent thinker.)
Obviously “I disagree” plus a short reason is better and normally not much more difficult, but this would also be a lot easier to do in a community where just “I disagree” was acceptable.
nods If it’s someone whose name I recognize and whose opinion I value, that tends to get handled similar to an “expert’s intuitive evaluation”. I don’t know how tight-knit the community is here, and what percentage of “I disagree” messages end up triggering that here, but most communities I’ve seen aren’t tight-knit enough for it to be meaningful except possibly when said by a “tribal leader”.
You do make a good point about the acceptability of “I disagree” influencing the acceptability of “I disagree because of this brief reason” :)
Practically speaking I do not consider downvotes evidence that I am wrong (they are generally just evidence that people dislike what I say because it sounds pretentious or because it pattern matches to something that could be wrong), whereas I would consider a simple “I disagree” comment from e.g. Nick Tarleton some evidence that I was wrong and should spend effort finding out why. (This isn’t mostly because Nick is a good thinker (though he is) but that I think it’s a lot less likely he’ll uncharitably misinterpret what I’m trying to say, whereas an “I disagree” comment from Vladimir Nesov is a lot less evidence that I’m wrong even though he is also an excellent thinker.)
Strongly agree on every point.
While downvotes always contain evidence that evidence contains more information about the social reality than the conceptual one. It is useful information, just not necessarily information about facts or accuracy.
I disagree. ;) Specifically because knowing who disagrees with me gives me way more evidence than just knowing that someone disagrees with me. Practically speaking I do not consider downvotes evidence that I am wrong (they are generally just evidence that people dislike what I say because it sounds pretentious or because it pattern matches to something that could be wrong), whereas I would consider a simple “I disagree” comment from e.g. Nick Tarleton some evidence that I was wrong and should spend effort finding out why. (This isn’t mostly because Nick is a good thinker (though he is) but that I think it’s a lot less likely he’ll uncharitably misinterpret what I’m trying to say, whereas an “I disagree” comment from Vladimir Nesov is a lot less evidence that I’m wrong even though he is also an excellent thinker.)
Obviously “I disagree” plus a short reason is better and normally not much more difficult, but this would also be a lot easier to do in a community where just “I disagree” was acceptable.
nods If it’s someone whose name I recognize and whose opinion I value, that tends to get handled similar to an “expert’s intuitive evaluation”. I don’t know how tight-knit the community is here, and what percentage of “I disagree” messages end up triggering that here, but most communities I’ve seen aren’t tight-knit enough for it to be meaningful except possibly when said by a “tribal leader”.
You do make a good point about the acceptability of “I disagree” influencing the acceptability of “I disagree because of this brief reason” :)
Strongly agree on every point.
While downvotes always contain evidence that evidence contains more information about the social reality than the conceptual one. It is useful information, just not necessarily information about facts or accuracy.