One thing it might predict is that there are ways to train the transfer of intuition, from both the teaching and learning side of things, and that by teaching them people get better at picking up intuitions.
Well, my question stands. That is a prediction, sure (if a vague one), but now how do we test it? What concrete observations would we expect, and which are excluded, etc.? What has actually been observed? I’m talking specifics, now; data or case studies—but in any case very concrete evidence, not generalities!
I do believe CFAR at one point was teaching deliberate practice and calling it “turbocharged training”. However, if one is really interested in intiution and thinks its’ useful, the next obvious step is to ask “ok, I have this blunt instrument for teaching intuition called deliberate practice, can we use an understanding of how intuitions work to improve upon it?”
Yes… perhaps this is true. Yet in this case, we would expect to continue to use the available instruments (however blunt they may be) until such time as sharper tools are (a) available, and (b) have been firmly established as being more effective than the blunt ones. But it seems to me like neither (a) (if I’m reading your “at one point” comment correctly), nor (b), is the case here?
Really, what I don’t think I’ve seen, in this discussion, is any of what I, in a previous comment, referred to as “the cake”. This continues to trouble me!
I suspect the CFARians have more delicious cake for you, as I haven’t put that much time into circling, and the related connection skills I worked on more than a decade ago and have atrophied since.
Things I remember:
much quicker connection with people
there was a few things like exercise that I wasn’t passionate about but wanted to be. After talking with people who were passionate I was able to become passionate myself for those things
I was able to more quickly learn social cognitive strategies by interacting with others who had them.
To suggest something more concrete… would you predict that if an X-ist wanted to pass a Y-ist’s ITT, they would have more success if the two of them sat down to circle beforehand? Relative to doing nothing, and/or relative to other possible interventions like discussing X vs Y? For values of X and Y like Democrat/Republican, yay-SJ/boo-SJ, cat person/dog person, MIRI’s approach to AI/Paul Christiano’s approach?
It seems to me that (roughly speaking) if circling was more successful than other interventions, or successful on a wider range of topics, that would validate its utility. Said, do you agree?
I see, thanks.
Well, my question stands. That is a prediction, sure (if a vague one), but now how do we test it? What concrete observations would we expect, and which are excluded, etc.? What has actually been observed? I’m talking specifics, now; data or case studies—but in any case very concrete evidence, not generalities!
Yes… perhaps this is true. Yet in this case, we would expect to continue to use the available instruments (however blunt they may be) until such time as sharper tools are (a) available, and (b) have been firmly established as being more effective than the blunt ones. But it seems to me like neither (a) (if I’m reading your “at one point” comment correctly), nor (b), is the case here?
Really, what I don’t think I’ve seen, in this discussion, is any of what I, in a previous comment, referred to as “the cake”. This continues to trouble me!
I suspect the CFARians have more delicious cake for you, as I haven’t put that much time into circling, and the related connection skills I worked on more than a decade ago and have atrophied since.
Things I remember:
much quicker connection with people
there was a few things like exercise that I wasn’t passionate about but wanted to be. After talking with people who were passionate I was able to become passionate myself for those things
I was able to more quickly learn social cognitive strategies by interacting with others who had them.
To suggest something more concrete… would you predict that if an X-ist wanted to pass a Y-ist’s ITT, they would have more success if the two of them sat down to circle beforehand? Relative to doing nothing, and/or relative to other possible interventions like discussing X vs Y? For values of X and Y like Democrat/Republican, yay-SJ/boo-SJ, cat person/dog person, MIRI’s approach to AI/Paul Christiano’s approach?
It seems to me that (roughly speaking) if circling was more successful than other interventions, or successful on a wider range of topics, that would validate its utility. Said, do you agree?
Yes, although I expect the utility of circling over other methods to be dependent on the degree to which the ITT is based on intuitions.