I don’t accept that I’m trollish. Trolling is basically pushing buttons to get an emotional reaction, mostly for the lulz. I’m not interested in triggering emotional reactions in people two screens away from me and LW isn’t a fertile ground for the lulz, anyway.
I will confess to the propensity to make my arguments forcefully. I count it as a feature and not a bug. I will also confess to liking extreme and exaggerated examples—the reason is that in some situations I want to trade off nuance against clarity and obviousness.
As to discouraging people from posting, I do want to discourage people from posting low-quality stuff. I see nothing wrong with that.
when people react to you in a way you didn’t want (for example, they get angry or frustrated) you accept no blame or responsibility for it
Generally speaking, yes. I am not your mother, your nanny, or your mentor and making sure you’re emotionally comfortable is not one of my duties. I also reject the popular political correctness / social justice notion that it’s sufficient for the listener to claim offense (or some other variety of victimhood) to put all the responsibility/blame on the speaker.
will you say that it’s entirely my fault for being too sensitive
I wouldn’t put it in terms of “fault” and I don’t know about you personally, but yes, I think that some chunk of the LW population is too thin-skinned and would greatly benefit from a dose of HTFU.
Note, though, that I don’t consider it my obligation to go out of the way to provide that dose (see above re being a nanny). I just don’t think that being particularly thin-skinned gives you any special rights.
I also reject the popular political correctness / social justice notion that it’s sufficient for the listener to claim offense (or some other variety of victimhood) to put all the responsibility/blame on the speaker.
I’m pretty sure I didn’t write anything to suggest that the blame is all the speakers’, and yet you seem to have read it this way. Who’s responsible for this misunderstanding? I hope we can both agree that the responsibility is shared between speaker and listener, it can’t work any other way in a dialogue when both people alternate roles. And when you write something in direct criticism of someone (and not some general statement), you are engaged in dialogue.
Now it also seems to me that “political correctness/SJ culture” is basically a pejorative on LW, but I’ll take your word that you’re not trying to push buttons by comparing me to them. Instead I’ll just remind you that reversed stupidity is not intelligence, and being careless about offending people is not correlated with truth seeking. I support the Buddhist Victorian Sufi standard of SSC, and kindness is 33% of that standard.
Both are responsible for the misunderstanding, but only one of them is responsible for his own anger and frustration.
reversed stupidity is not intelligence, and being careless about offending people is not correlated with truth seeking
I agree. But note that “not correlated” is different from “negatively correlated”. As in “being very careful to not offend people is negatively correlated with truth-seeking” :-P
I like the SSC standard, too, but notice that it’s very flexible and can be bent into many different shapes :-/ And, of course, once in a while Yvain declares a reign of terror.
I don’t accept that I’m trollish. Trolling is basically pushing buttons to get an emotional reaction, mostly for the lulz. I’m not interested in triggering emotional reactions in people two screens away from me and LW isn’t a fertile ground for the lulz, anyway.
I will confess to the propensity to make my arguments forcefully. I count it as a feature and not a bug. I will also confess to liking extreme and exaggerated examples—the reason is that in some situations I want to trade off nuance against clarity and obviousness.
As to discouraging people from posting, I do want to discourage people from posting low-quality stuff. I see nothing wrong with that.
Generally speaking, yes. I am not your mother, your nanny, or your mentor and making sure you’re emotionally comfortable is not one of my duties. I also reject the popular political correctness / social justice notion that it’s sufficient for the listener to claim offense (or some other variety of victimhood) to put all the responsibility/blame on the speaker.
I wouldn’t put it in terms of “fault” and I don’t know about you personally, but yes, I think that some chunk of the LW population is too thin-skinned and would greatly benefit from a dose of HTFU.
Note, though, that I don’t consider it my obligation to go out of the way to provide that dose (see above re being a nanny). I just don’t think that being particularly thin-skinned gives you any special rights.
I’m pretty sure I didn’t write anything to suggest that the blame is all the speakers’, and yet you seem to have read it this way. Who’s responsible for this misunderstanding? I hope we can both agree that the responsibility is shared between speaker and listener, it can’t work any other way in a dialogue when both people alternate roles. And when you write something in direct criticism of someone (and not some general statement), you are engaged in dialogue.
Now it also seems to me that “political correctness/SJ culture” is basically a pejorative on LW, but I’ll take your word that you’re not trying to push buttons by comparing me to them. Instead I’ll just remind you that reversed stupidity is not intelligence, and being careless about offending people is not correlated with truth seeking. I support the Buddhist Victorian Sufi standard of SSC, and kindness is 33% of that standard.
Both are responsible for the misunderstanding, but only one of them is responsible for his own anger and frustration.
I agree. But note that “not correlated” is different from “negatively correlated”. As in “being very careful to not offend people is negatively correlated with truth-seeking” :-P
I like the SSC standard, too, but notice that it’s very flexible and can be bent into many different shapes :-/ And, of course, once in a while Yvain declares a reign of terror.