I also reject the popular political correctness / social justice notion that it’s sufficient for the listener to claim offense (or some other variety of victimhood) to put all the responsibility/blame on the speaker.
I’m pretty sure I didn’t write anything to suggest that the blame is all the speakers’, and yet you seem to have read it this way. Who’s responsible for this misunderstanding? I hope we can both agree that the responsibility is shared between speaker and listener, it can’t work any other way in a dialogue when both people alternate roles. And when you write something in direct criticism of someone (and not some general statement), you are engaged in dialogue.
Now it also seems to me that “political correctness/SJ culture” is basically a pejorative on LW, but I’ll take your word that you’re not trying to push buttons by comparing me to them. Instead I’ll just remind you that reversed stupidity is not intelligence, and being careless about offending people is not correlated with truth seeking. I support the Buddhist Victorian Sufi standard of SSC, and kindness is 33% of that standard.
Both are responsible for the misunderstanding, but only one of them is responsible for his own anger and frustration.
reversed stupidity is not intelligence, and being careless about offending people is not correlated with truth seeking
I agree. But note that “not correlated” is different from “negatively correlated”. As in “being very careful to not offend people is negatively correlated with truth-seeking” :-P
I like the SSC standard, too, but notice that it’s very flexible and can be bent into many different shapes :-/ And, of course, once in a while Yvain declares a reign of terror.
I’m pretty sure I didn’t write anything to suggest that the blame is all the speakers’, and yet you seem to have read it this way. Who’s responsible for this misunderstanding? I hope we can both agree that the responsibility is shared between speaker and listener, it can’t work any other way in a dialogue when both people alternate roles. And when you write something in direct criticism of someone (and not some general statement), you are engaged in dialogue.
Now it also seems to me that “political correctness/SJ culture” is basically a pejorative on LW, but I’ll take your word that you’re not trying to push buttons by comparing me to them. Instead I’ll just remind you that reversed stupidity is not intelligence, and being careless about offending people is not correlated with truth seeking. I support the Buddhist Victorian Sufi standard of SSC, and kindness is 33% of that standard.
Both are responsible for the misunderstanding, but only one of them is responsible for his own anger and frustration.
I agree. But note that “not correlated” is different from “negatively correlated”. As in “being very careful to not offend people is negatively correlated with truth-seeking” :-P
I like the SSC standard, too, but notice that it’s very flexible and can be bent into many different shapes :-/ And, of course, once in a while Yvain declares a reign of terror.