When I think of instrumental rationality, I don’t, for example, think of seeing things from multiple perspectives, finding the best way to interpret situations, aligning your values, training creativity etc.
I think discussions about applied debaising are discussions about finding a best way to interpret situations. Discussions about how to choose reference classes inside/outside views are about seeing things from multiple perspectives.
When it comes approaches about how to think creatively about a problem and let people come up with ideas before sharing them in brainstorming, I would call that instrumental rationality.
There are alignment techniques to align system one and system two from CFAR.
I think discussions about applied debaising are discussions about finding a best way to interpret situations
Isn’t debiasing more about removing errors in your thinking or finding situations in which you should take a more formalised and objective approach. By “finding a best way to interpret situations” I meant basically finding ways to interpret situations so that the solution is simpler. If you can find out that a new problem X is really just another version of problem Y, then this can be extremely useful as you can draw upon pre-existing solutions to problem Y.
Twenty random cards are placed in a row all face down. A move consists of turning a face down card face up, and turning over the card that is immediately to its right. Show that no matter what the choice of cards to turn, this sequence of moves must terminate (with all the cards facing up).
This problem can be simply solved once you see face up cards as 1 and face down cards as 0 in binary.
Discussions about how to choose reference classes inside/outside views are about seeing things from multiple perspectives.
That is just one different perspective that is often useful. In general, I view this as an example of looking at a situation from an objective perspective.
Here is a quote from feynman’s Character of Physical Law (p. 53) which I think describes what I mean.
Mathematically each of the three different formulations: Newton’s law, the local field method and the minimum principle, gives exactly the same consequences. [...] They are equivalent scientifically [...] But, psychologically they are very different in two ways. First, philosophically you like them or do not like them; and training is the only way to beat that disease. Second, psychologically they are different because they are completely unequivalent when you are trying to guess new laws. As long as physics is incomplete, and we are trying to understand the other laws, then the different possible formulations may give clues about what might happen in other circumstances. In that case they are no longer equivalent, psychologically, in suggesting to us guesses about what the laws may look like in a wider situation.
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When it comes approaches about how to think creatively about a problem and let people come up with ideas before sharing them in brainstorming, I would call that instrumental rationality.
That’s my problem with instrumental rationality, almost everything can fit into it. I have two questions:
if it was the first time that you heard about instrumental rationality would brainstorming pop into your head?
Do you think that my point about this was a valid criticism?
There are alignment techniques to align system one and system two from CFAR.
Do you know what the best resource is to find out about what stuff CFAR has looked into, written or produced. I have read their website and few posts about CFAR on less wrong, but that is all.
In the question about cards, the binary observation is absolutely correct but gives the impression that you need more “structure” to solve the problem than you really do. I prefer (even though it maybe yields a textually longer proof) to do it this way: sort the possible configurations lexicographically (“dictionary order”, where things further left always take precedence) with up < down; and then note that every operation you do moves your configuration earlier in the order, at which point you’re done.
… Oh, and the problem as stated above isn’t quite right. In the configuration UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD there is no legal move according to your statement of the problem, so you don’t terminate with all cards face up. More generally, your procedure always flips two cards at once so the parity of the number of D cards can’t change, so half of all starting configurations are unable to end with all cards up and in fact will end with UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD. (To fix this, either just ask for a proof that the procedure always terminates, or else make flipping the card to the right of the one you turn face-up optional.)
half of all starting configurations are unable to end with all cards up and in fact will end with UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD.
That is why the starting configuration is explicitly given as: “Twenty random cards are placed in a row all face down”.
If the number of starting face down cards is odd, then it will terminate with the last card as down and the rest as up. If the number of starting face down cards is even, then it will terminate with all the cards face up.
Oops, misread the problem statement. Of course you’re right. (Though I think the problem is made slightly more interesting if you allow starting with an arbitrary configuration.)
I think discussions about applied debaising are discussions about finding a best way to interpret situations. Discussions about how to choose reference classes inside/outside views are about seeing things from multiple perspectives.
When it comes approaches about how to think creatively about a problem and let people come up with ideas before sharing them in brainstorming, I would call that instrumental rationality.
There are alignment techniques to align system one and system two from CFAR.
Isn’t debiasing more about removing errors in your thinking or finding situations in which you should take a more formalised and objective approach. By “finding a best way to interpret situations” I meant basically finding ways to interpret situations so that the solution is simpler. If you can find out that a new problem X is really just another version of problem Y, then this can be extremely useful as you can draw upon pre-existing solutions to problem Y.
Another example from a movie I saw is:
This problem can be simply solved once you see face up cards as 1 and face down cards as 0 in binary.
That is just one different perspective that is often useful. In general, I view this as an example of looking at a situation from an objective perspective.
Here is a quote from feynman’s Character of Physical Law (p. 53) which I think describes what I mean.
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That’s my problem with instrumental rationality, almost everything can fit into it. I have two questions:
if it was the first time that you heard about instrumental rationality would brainstorming pop into your head?
Do you think that my point about this was a valid criticism?
Do you know what the best resource is to find out about what stuff CFAR has looked into, written or produced. I have read their website and few posts about CFAR on less wrong, but that is all.
In the question about cards, the binary observation is absolutely correct but gives the impression that you need more “structure” to solve the problem than you really do. I prefer (even though it maybe yields a textually longer proof) to do it this way: sort the possible configurations lexicographically (“dictionary order”, where things further left always take precedence) with up < down; and then note that every operation you do moves your configuration earlier in the order, at which point you’re done.
… Oh, and the problem as stated above isn’t quite right. In the configuration UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD there is no legal move according to your statement of the problem, so you don’t terminate with all cards face up. More generally, your procedure always flips two cards at once so the parity of the number of D cards can’t change, so half of all starting configurations are unable to end with all cards up and in fact will end with UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD. (To fix this, either just ask for a proof that the procedure always terminates, or else make flipping the card to the right of the one you turn face-up optional.)
That is why the starting configuration is explicitly given as: “Twenty random cards are placed in a row all face down”. If the number of starting face down cards is odd, then it will terminate with the last card as down and the rest as up. If the number of starting face down cards is even, then it will terminate with all the cards face up.
Oops, misread the problem statement. Of course you’re right. (Though I think the problem is made slightly more interesting if you allow starting with an arbitrary configuration.)