The only question is whether or not my intemperance is justified.
If you think your intemperance is justified, then you’re using the word “intemperance” wrong.
Consider how absurd it would be for a professor of physics to admit that his opinion regarding a problem in physics would be different if he had attended a different graduate school.
I would be no more surprised by this claim than the one about the epistemologist. Should I be? Do proponents of string theory tend to come from the same schools?
I would be no more surprised by this claim than the one about the epistemologist. Should I be? Do proponents of string theory tend to come from the same schools?
I think this is pushing the argument too much. I’m sure you see his point that physics is different than philosophy.
You can still make interesting counter-arguments (for example, string theory is one—another is that if even if you agree about the solution, you can have different philosophies on the correct approach) but I think it muddies the waters to pretend you don’t know what he’s talking about in the first place.
I’m choosing this as an example only—I haven’t noticed you doing this before, but I’ve noticed it in threads with people arguing with me and I’d like to have a name for this, so I can call them on it. Mainly it makes the argument extremely inefficient. In his next thread, Daniel Burfoot might imagine he needs to go in more detail about the differences between physics and philosophy (which would be tedious) or just recognize that he was parried and ignore it.
I think this is pushing the argument too much. I’m sure you see his point that physics is different than philosophy.
The claim was that it would be “absurd” if a professor of physics admitted that his opinion regarding a “problem” would be different if he attended a different school.
I fail to see what would be absurd about it. I take the word “problem” here to mean something that doesn’t have a settled answer in the field, so I had to reach as far out as string theory to find something accessible to the non-physicist. I honestly don’t see in what relevant way physics is different from philosophy here. I likely would’ve had the same reaction regarding any academic field.
I agree with your point: something doesn’t become a “problem” in physics unless it’s so hard to find observational evidence that favors one view over another that it can’t be quickly resolved.. So the remaining things left that count as problems are the very ones where different experts can reasonably hold different views, and one will see a stronger case in schools that support a particular view.
On the opposite end, problems in philosophy that actually get solved are then spun off into other fields and so no longer count as philosophy. What we now call “physics” was at one time “natural philosophy”.
Still, I think there’s a difference in that philosophy hasn’t been spinning off productive scientific research programs in the past few decades. But don’t think that was Daniel_Burfoot’s point.
I see, the fallacy was mine: the typical mind fallacy. I thought of ‘problem’ as something that—in physics—would be already solved and straightforward.
If you think your intemperance is justified, then you’re using the word “intemperance” wrong.
I would be no more surprised by this claim than the one about the epistemologist. Should I be? Do proponents of string theory tend to come from the same schools?
I think this is pushing the argument too much. I’m sure you see his point that physics is different than philosophy.
You can still make interesting counter-arguments (for example, string theory is one—another is that if even if you agree about the solution, you can have different philosophies on the correct approach) but I think it muddies the waters to pretend you don’t know what he’s talking about in the first place.
I’m choosing this as an example only—I haven’t noticed you doing this before, but I’ve noticed it in threads with people arguing with me and I’d like to have a name for this, so I can call them on it. Mainly it makes the argument extremely inefficient. In his next thread, Daniel Burfoot might imagine he needs to go in more detail about the differences between physics and philosophy (which would be tedious) or just recognize that he was parried and ignore it.
The claim was that it would be “absurd” if a professor of physics admitted that his opinion regarding a “problem” would be different if he attended a different school.
I fail to see what would be absurd about it. I take the word “problem” here to mean something that doesn’t have a settled answer in the field, so I had to reach as far out as string theory to find something accessible to the non-physicist. I honestly don’t see in what relevant way physics is different from philosophy here. I likely would’ve had the same reaction regarding any academic field.
I agree with your point: something doesn’t become a “problem” in physics unless it’s so hard to find observational evidence that favors one view over another that it can’t be quickly resolved.. So the remaining things left that count as problems are the very ones where different experts can reasonably hold different views, and one will see a stronger case in schools that support a particular view.
On the opposite end, problems in philosophy that actually get solved are then spun off into other fields and so no longer count as philosophy. What we now call “physics” was at one time “natural philosophy”.
Still, I think there’s a difference in that philosophy hasn’t been spinning off productive scientific research programs in the past few decades. But don’t think that was Daniel_Burfoot’s point.
I see, the fallacy was mine: the typical mind fallacy. I thought of ‘problem’ as something that—in physics—would be already solved and straightforward.