With primacy of the direct observation the “conciousness stuff” stands pretty firm but I don’t see why a dualist would be compelled to think that matter would be a fundamental thing. After all its a pattern in experience so why this “pattern” should be promoted to a substance? How would one be able to tell whether matter is the same “conciousness stuff” in a different form? (and why does not this principle lead to split substance matter to radiation and baryonic matter into actually being two separate substances?)
If they didn’t accept physical stuff as being (at least potentially) equal to consciousness they actually wouldn’t be a dualist. Both are considered real things, and though many have less confidence in the physical world, they still believe in it as a separate thing. (Cartesian dualists do have the least faith in the real world, but even they believe you can make real statements about it as a separate thing.) Otherwise, they would be a ‘monist’. The ‘dual’ is in the name for a reason.
interaction → really one connected substance → monism
no interaction → separated islands → triviality
If mind is “all we have proof of” then why believe in the unproofed parts? Is there some kind of “indirect” evidence for matter? Experiences of Azeroth are real but Azeroth is not real. How could we tell whether we have experiences of physics and on top of that physics being real?
In this context “real world” is very loaded as we are arguing which parts are real and which illusory or unreal.
With primacy of the direct observation the “conciousness stuff” stands pretty firm but I don’t see why a dualist would be compelled to think that matter would be a fundamental thing. After all its a pattern in experience so why this “pattern” should be promoted to a substance? How would one be able to tell whether matter is the same “conciousness stuff” in a different form? (and why does not this principle lead to split substance matter to radiation and baryonic matter into actually being two separate substances?)
If they didn’t accept physical stuff as being (at least potentially) equal to consciousness they actually wouldn’t be a dualist. Both are considered real things, and though many have less confidence in the physical world, they still believe in it as a separate thing. (Cartesian dualists do have the least faith in the real world, but even they believe you can make real statements about it as a separate thing.) Otherwise, they would be a ‘monist’. The ‘dual’ is in the name for a reason.
To me it seems that
interaction → really one connected substance → monism
no interaction → separated islands → triviality
If mind is “all we have proof of” then why believe in the unproofed parts? Is there some kind of “indirect” evidence for matter? Experiences of Azeroth are real but Azeroth is not real. How could we tell whether we have experiences of physics and on top of that physics being real?
In this context “real world” is very loaded as we are arguing which parts are real and which illusory or unreal.