Well this isn’t helpful! I was genuinely trying to understand what the point of the quoted statement is. In the context, it seemed like that was the most reasonable interpretation. If it isn’t, then it’d be more productive to explain what you did mean.
I’m sorry that you feel misrepresented. For me, continuing to argue (in response to criticism or otherwise) that there is something wrong with STMT not taking the bet, and that their stated reason is insufficient, and making what read to me like implicit accusations of dishonesty, seems a lot like ‘making combative noise’. It’s quite an imprecise charge, though, and perhaps unhelpful of me to make.
Anyway, I certainly don’t want to be making combative noise, and policing your tone isn’t really adding anything to the (important) object-level discussion, so I’ll beat a retreat.
For me, continuing to argue (in response to criticism or otherwise) that there is something wrong with STMT not taking the bet, and that their stated reason is insufficient, and making what read to me like implicit accusations of dishonesty, seems a lot like ‘making combative noise’.
For the record, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what SMTM did in the thread.
[ETA: partially retracted] But you can see what you’re doing right? If you criticize me, and I reply to the criticism, and then you say, “Ahah! You are making combative noises by replying to criticism!” it’s not a damning statement about my intent. Of course it makes sense that I’m going to reply to criticism, if I think the criticism is not justified.
As for whether I made an implicit accusation of dishonestly, let me just clarify: I did not. I do not currently think SMTM is being actively dishonest about anything related to this discussion, as far as I can tell. And in general, I think few researchers practice explicit dishonesty about their primary research.
Strong disagreement is not the same thing as accusing someone of dishonesty. I don’t know what claim you’re referring to when you said you read me as implicitly making an accusation of dishonesty, but I don’t see it anywhere.
I certainly don’t “see what I’m doing”, because I wasn’t trying to do anything other than explain why your engagement with STMT seemed combative and unfairly accusatory. It did, and it does, reading it later. I hope/suspect that with the advantage of the same temporal remove, you will also see exactly why I and many others thought so.
I think I would have reworded some of my tweets to make the tone slightly better, if I had the benefit of hindsight (and had known how people would interpret what I said). But otherwise, I still don’t see why my offer to bet SMTM was “combative and unfairly accusatory”. I never accused them of dishonesty. I did suggest strong disagreement, but that seems only mildly combative. Mostly, I offered a friendly bet, and when they rejected it, I moved on.
ETA: In contrast to the twitter thread, I do think I was unfairly combative to you in particular. So, in the spirit of trying to be nicer, I’ve decided to partially retract some of my comments.
Well this isn’t helpful! I was genuinely trying to understand what the point of the quoted statement is. In the context, it seemed like that was the most reasonable interpretation. If it isn’t, then it’d be more productive to explain what you did mean.
I’m sorry that you feel misrepresented. For me, continuing to argue (in response to criticism or otherwise) that there is something wrong with STMT not taking the bet, and that their stated reason is insufficient, and making what read to me like implicit accusations of dishonesty, seems a lot like ‘making combative noise’. It’s quite an imprecise charge, though, and perhaps unhelpful of me to make.
Anyway, I certainly don’t want to be making combative noise, and policing your tone isn’t really adding anything to the (important) object-level discussion, so I’ll beat a retreat.
For the record, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what SMTM did in the thread.
[ETA: partially retracted]
But you can see what you’re doing right? If you criticize me, and I reply to the criticism, and then you say, “Ahah! You are making combative noises by replying to criticism!” it’s not a damning statement about my intent. Of course it makes sense that I’m going to reply to criticism, if I think the criticism is not justified.As for whether I made an implicit accusation of dishonestly, let me just clarify: I did not. I do not currently think SMTM is being actively dishonest about anything related to this discussion, as far as I can tell. And in general, I think few researchers practice explicit dishonesty about their primary research.
Strong disagreement is not the same thing as accusing someone of dishonesty. I don’t know what claim you’re referring to when you said you read me as implicitly making an accusation of dishonesty, but I don’t see it anywhere.
I certainly don’t “see what I’m doing”, because I wasn’t trying to do anything other than explain why your engagement with STMT seemed combative and unfairly accusatory. It did, and it does, reading it later. I hope/suspect that with the advantage of the same temporal remove, you will also see exactly why I and many others thought so.
I think I would have reworded some of my tweets to make the tone slightly better, if I had the benefit of hindsight (and had known how people would interpret what I said). But otherwise, I still don’t see why my offer to bet SMTM was “combative and unfairly accusatory”. I never accused them of dishonesty. I did suggest strong disagreement, but that seems only mildly combative. Mostly, I offered a friendly bet, and when they rejected it, I moved on.
ETA: In contrast to the twitter thread, I do think I was unfairly combative to you in particular. So, in the spirit of trying to be nicer, I’ve decided to partially retract some of my comments.
Just to maximally clarify, I didn’t mean to suggest that the offer was itself inherently combative.
To clarify, was this double negative intended?
No, I corrected it.