I don’t know the history of these tests, so I will concede the point that perhaps these tests are used on non-NT’s in a negative way, and that perhaps they were designed with some nefarious purpose of judging non-NTs.
However saying that because of this fact that these tests are “crap” is like saying that because people die in car accidents, that therefore cars are “crap”. I think the test can be BOTH useful in demonstrating Theory of Mind that occurs in children 4 and under AND that the test can (possibly) be used in a negative way with non-NTs.
Perhaps to pass the test you need BOTH Theory of Mind, AND language skills at a 4 year-old level.
Even if it is just language skills, it still stands to reason to me, that if a child can’t pass the test, that you won’t be able to explain cognitive biases to them with any great success. (I am sure you could teach them the “Teacher’s Passcode”.) That is the reason I posted the test, and I think whether or not I am completely wrong on WHAT it tests, that the test still stands as good evidence supporting the claim I was making (can’t teach them abstract material).
And I didn’t even have to use this test specifically. I just wanted to show any example of the fact that children’s minds don’t operate on a developed enough level to yet understand abstract ideas.
Anyone even vaguely familiar with this will be very annoyed and likely to say things like “this test is crap”
You are using this as if it should EXCUSE the extremely rude grandparent comment, when instead it is an EXPLANATION. The two are not the same. You can explain bad behavior, without considering it an excuse.
Example- “I am late because I overslept” is an explanation not an excuse. “I am late because my car got a flat” is an acceptable excuse.
Though I didn’t know the details, I already understood from the tone and the link, that the grandparent had some personal grudge/negative feelings towards the test in question. I assume it has been used on him/her to negative effect. I would guess, from your knowledge of this test, that it has also been used negatively on you or one of your loved ones. I am very sorry about this for the both of you. But that does not mean that it is an excuse to then leave rude and cryptic remarks, as the grandparent did.
I don’t know the history of these tests, so I will concede the point that perhaps these tests are used on non-NT’s in a negative way, and that perhaps they were designed with some nefarious purpose of judging non-NTs.
However saying that because of this fact that these tests are “crap” is like saying that because people die in car accidents, that therefore cars are “crap”. I think the test can be BOTH useful in demonstrating Theory of Mind that occurs in children 4 and under AND that the test can (possibly) be used in a negative way with non-NTs.
Perhaps to pass the test you need BOTH Theory of Mind, AND language skills at a 4 year-old level.
Even if it is just language skills, it still stands to reason to me, that if a child can’t pass the test, that you won’t be able to explain cognitive biases to them with any great success. (I am sure you could teach them the “Teacher’s Passcode”.) That is the reason I posted the test, and I think whether or not I am completely wrong on WHAT it tests, that the test still stands as good evidence supporting the claim I was making (can’t teach them abstract material).
And I didn’t even have to use this test specifically. I just wanted to show any example of the fact that children’s minds don’t operate on a developed enough level to yet understand abstract ideas.
You are using this as if it should EXCUSE the extremely rude grandparent comment, when instead it is an EXPLANATION. The two are not the same. You can explain bad behavior, without considering it an excuse.
Example- “I am late because I overslept” is an explanation not an excuse. “I am late because my car got a flat” is an acceptable excuse.
Though I didn’t know the details, I already understood from the tone and the link, that the grandparent had some personal grudge/negative feelings towards the test in question. I assume it has been used on him/her to negative effect. I would guess, from your knowledge of this test, that it has also been used negatively on you or one of your loved ones. I am very sorry about this for the both of you. But that does not mean that it is an excuse to then leave rude and cryptic remarks, as the grandparent did.