Positive punishment is done with a noxious stimulus. Negative punishment is taking away a rewarding stimulus. Has worked wonders with my little brother in quenching unwanted i.e. violent, behaviour. Worked well for me too when I was a kid. Usually applied by taking away a favorite toy or activity for a while, and explaining why it’s happening.
Not an expert, but I believe the distinction is that such abstract punishments as taking away toys effectively provide a motivation to change the behavior, effectively incentivizing the punished to try to change the habit. This can only work insofar as the punished is able to recognize the unwanted behavior and meaningfully control their response to it. This is inherently different from directly rewarding or punishing the behavior, and it certainly doesn’t work on any animal besides humans.
I agree. This also implicates abstract punishment works differently for different developmental ages. Abstractly punishing kids too young enough to understand it is just cruel, and it’s just a stupid way to punish older kids who understand it too well.
You’re clearly using positive, not negative punishment.
Mostly negative punishment (removing location privileges and so typically most activities that the child likes to do). The ultimatum was of similarly marginal positive punishment.
Ok. I’m going to read the book. If I don’t keep reading, I’ll slap myself furiously with rubber bands.
In my experience, negative punishment works very well with children. Any takes on that?
I’m not sure whether you’re joking, serious, or being sarcastic.
I don’t know what you mean by “negative punishment”, nor what you mean by “works very well”. Works very well to accomplish what, specifically?
Just joking with good intentions.
here’s a nice diagram of what I’m talking about.
Positive punishment is done with a noxious stimulus. Negative punishment is taking away a rewarding stimulus. Has worked wonders with my little brother in quenching unwanted i.e. violent, behaviour. Worked well for me too when I was a kid. Usually applied by taking away a favorite toy or activity for a while, and explaining why it’s happening.
Not an expert, but I believe the distinction is that such abstract punishments as taking away toys effectively provide a motivation to change the behavior, effectively incentivizing the punished to try to change the habit. This can only work insofar as the punished is able to recognize the unwanted behavior and meaningfully control their response to it. This is inherently different from directly rewarding or punishing the behavior, and it certainly doesn’t work on any animal besides humans.
I agree. This also implicates abstract punishment works differently for different developmental ages. Abstractly punishing kids too young enough to understand it is just cruel, and it’s just a stupid way to punish older kids who understand it too well.
It works, but poorly.
Got a bit emotional. Sorry about that.
Thanks for letting me know.
ETA: Anyone else notice (besides wedrifid, obviously), that this thread is full of claims not backed at all, and inexplicable upvotes, to boot?
You are being silly, go to your room and behave or you’ll get a spanking.
You’re clearly using positive, not negative punishment. So am I :P
Mostly negative punishment (removing location privileges and so typically most activities that the child likes to do). The ultimatum was of similarly marginal positive punishment.
I got that. I was talking about what you were actually doing to me.