The argument might have been “if qualia it exists, then it probably has observable effects—you without qualia would be different from you with qualia”.
Causality is different, for one. You in reality has a causal structure where future actions are caused by the state of you in the present + some inputs. You in the simulation has a causal structure where actions are caused by the simulator, to some extent.
I’m not really assuming that. My question is if there’s a coherent position where humans are conscious, p-zombie humans are impossible, but simulations can be high fidelity yet not conscious.
I’m not asking if it’s true, just whether the standard argument against p-zombies rules this out as well.
Well if qualia aren’t epiphenomenal then an accurate simulation must include them or deviate into errancy. Claiming that you could accuracy simulate a human but leave out consciousness is just the p-zombie argument in different robes
The argument might have been “if qualia it exists, then it probably has observable effects—you without qualia would be different from you with qualia”.
But obviously you as a simulation is different in some aspects from you in reality. It’s not obvious that the argument caries over.
2) What aspects?
1) You are assuming qualia exists?
Causality is different, for one. You in reality has a causal structure where future actions are caused by the state of you in the present + some inputs. You in the simulation has a causal structure where actions are caused by the simulator, to some extent.
I’m not really assuming that. My question is if there’s a coherent position where humans are conscious, p-zombie humans are impossible, but simulations can be high fidelity yet not conscious.
I’m not asking if it’s true, just whether the standard argument against p-zombies rules this out as well.
Well if qualia aren’t epiphenomenal then an accurate simulation must include them or deviate into errancy. Claiming that you could accuracy simulate a human but leave out consciousness is just the p-zombie argument in different robes