So you are willing to rely on the friendliness and competence of the cryonicists that you have met (at least to serve as stewards in the interim between your death and the emmergence of a FAI).
Well that is a personal judgment call for you to make.
You have got me all wrong. Really I was raising the question here so that you would be able to give me a stronger argument and put my doubts to rest precisely because I am interested in cryonics and do want to live forever. I posted in the hopes that I would be persuaded. Unfortunately, your personal faith in the individuals that you have met is not transferable.
It’d be best if names were attached to these hypothetical Mega Upvotes. You don’t normally want people to see your voting patterns, but if you’re upsetting the comment karma balance that much then it’d be best to have a name attached. Two kinds of currency would be clunky. There are other considerations that I’m too lazy to list out but generally they somewhat favor having names attached.
Are you out of shape and/or overweight? If so I will probably outlive you, why don’t you let me know what you would like on your tombstone.
How about the rest of you pro-cryonics individuals how many of you have latched onto this slim chance at immortality as a means of ignoring the consequences of your computer-bound Cheeto-eating lifestyle?
How about the rest of you pro-cryonics individuals how many of you have latched onto this slim chance at immortality as a means of ignoring the consequences of your computer-bound Cheeto-eating lifestyle?
The attitude tends to be more like: “Having your brain cryogenically preserved is the second worst thing that can happen to you.”
I run marathons, practice martial arts and work out at the gym 4 times a week. I dedicate a significant amount of my budget to healthy eating and optimal nutritional supplementation.
If you read through Alcor’s website, you’ll see that they are careful not to provide any promises and want their clients to be well-informed about the lack of any guarantees—this points to good intentions.
How convinced do you need to be to pay $25 a month? (I’m using the $300/year quote.)
If you die soon, you won’t have paid so much. If you don’t die soon, you can consider that you’re locking into a cheaper price for an option that might get more expensive once the science/culture is more established.
In 15 years, they might discover something that makes cryonics unlikely—and you might regret your $4,500 investment. Or they might revive a cryonically frozen puppy, in which case you would have been pleased that you were ‘cryonically covered’ the whole time, and possibly pleased you funded their research. A better cryonics company might come along, you might become more informed, and you can switch.
If you like the idea of it—and you seem to—why wouldn’t you participate in this early stage even when things are uncertain?
I need to be convinced that cryonics is better than nothing, and quite frankly I’m not.
For now I will stick to maintaining my good health through proven methods, maximizing my chances to live to see future advances in medicine. That seems to be the highest probability method of living practically forever, right? (and no I’m not trying to create a false-dilemma here, I know I could do both).
If cryonics were free and somebody else did all the work, I’m assuming you wouldn’t object to being signed up. So how cheap (in terms of both effort and money) would cryonics have to be in order to make it worthwhile for you?
at the level of confidence I have in it now I would not contribute any money, maybe $10 annual donation because i think it is a good cause.
If I was very rich I might contribute a large amount of money to cryonics research although I think I would rather spend on AGI or nanotech basic science.
So you are willing to rely on the friendliness and competence of the cryonicists that you have met (at least to serve as stewards in the interim between your death and the emmergence of a FAI).
Well that is a personal judgment call for you to make.
You have got me all wrong. Really I was raising the question here so that you would be able to give me a stronger argument and put my doubts to rest precisely because I am interested in cryonics and do want to live forever. I posted in the hopes that I would be persuaded. Unfortunately, your personal faith in the individuals that you have met is not transferable.
Rest In Peace
1988 − 2016
He died signalling his cynical worldliness and sophistication to his peers.
It’s at times like this that I wish Less Wrong gave out a limited number of Mega Upvotes so I could upvote this 10 points instead of just 1.
It’d be best if names were attached to these hypothetical Mega Upvotes. You don’t normally want people to see your voting patterns, but if you’re upsetting the comment karma balance that much then it’d be best to have a name attached. Two kinds of currency would be clunky. There are other considerations that I’m too lazy to list out but generally they somewhat favor having names attached.
Are you out of shape and/or overweight? If so I will probably outlive you, why don’t you let me know what you would like on your tombstone.
How about the rest of you pro-cryonics individuals how many of you have latched onto this slim chance at immortality as a means of ignoring the consequences of your computer-bound Cheeto-eating lifestyle?
The attitude tends to be more like: “Having your brain cryogenically preserved is the second worst thing that can happen to you.”
I run marathons, practice martial arts and work out at the gym 4 times a week. I dedicate a significant amount of my budget to healthy eating and optimal nutritional supplementation.
good for you, except for the marathons of course, those are terrible for you.
I guess it is the type of thing I would like to do before I die though.
If you read through Alcor’s website, you’ll see that they are careful not to provide any promises and want their clients to be well-informed about the lack of any guarantees—this points to good intentions.
How convinced do you need to be to pay $25 a month? (I’m using the $300/year quote.)
If you die soon, you won’t have paid so much. If you don’t die soon, you can consider that you’re locking into a cheaper price for an option that might get more expensive once the science/culture is more established.
In 15 years, they might discover something that makes cryonics unlikely—and you might regret your $4,500 investment. Or they might revive a cryonically frozen puppy, in which case you would have been pleased that you were ‘cryonically covered’ the whole time, and possibly pleased you funded their research. A better cryonics company might come along, you might become more informed, and you can switch.
If you like the idea of it—and you seem to—why wouldn’t you participate in this early stage even when things are uncertain?
I need to be convinced that cryonics is better than nothing, and quite frankly I’m not.
For now I will stick to maintaining my good health through proven methods, maximizing my chances to live to see future advances in medicine. That seems to be the highest probability method of living practically forever, right? (and no I’m not trying to create a false-dilemma here, I know I could do both).
If cryonics were free and somebody else did all the work, I’m assuming you wouldn’t object to being signed up. So how cheap (in terms of both effort and money) would cryonics have to be in order to make it worthwhile for you?
yeah for free would be fine.
at the level of confidence I have in it now I would not contribute any money, maybe $10 annual donation because i think it is a good cause.
If I was very rich I might contribute a large amount of money to cryonics research although I think I would rather spend on AGI or nanotech basic science.