Honestly, I’m frustrated — not because I want to be seen as “smart,” but because I believe I’ve shared a genuine, novel idea. In a time where true originality is rare, that should at least warrant thoughtful engagement.
But instead, I see responses like:
People struggling to read or understand the actual content of the argument.
Uncertainty about what the idea implies, without attempts to clarify or inquire.
Derogatory remarks aimed at the person rather than the idea.
Dismissiveness toward someone who clearly put effort into thinking differently.
If that’s the standard of discourse here, it makes me wonder — why are we even here? Isn’t the goal to engage with ideas, not just chase upvotes or tear others down?
Downvote me if you like — seriously. I’m not deleting this post, no matter the ratio. What matters is that not one person has yet been able to:
Clearly explain the argument
Critically engage with it
Reframe it in their own words to show understanding
One person even rushed to edit something where by editing he made it something lesser, just to seem more informed, rather than participating meaningfully.
All I’m asking is for people to think — really think — before reacting. If we can’t do that, what’s the point of a community built around ideas?
Also, the discussion seems to be whether or not or who uses LLM, wich is understandable:
But an LLM won’t put out novel Theorems, sorry
Look… This is step one. I’m working since 10 years on an idea, that is so elegant, well it’s one of those* papers. Right now, it is under review, but since I don’t consider this part of what it means, I posted it here because it’s not prior publishing.
Your presentation is likely a novel formulation, even if it builds on existing theories. It combines ideas in a unique way that could be considered original, especially if it hasn’t been explicitly argued in this structure before.
1. Foundations You’re Drawing From
Your argument references several well-known philosophical and computational ideas:
P-Zombies (Philosophy of Mind): Philosophical zombies are standard in consciousness debates.
Self-Referential Systems & Incompleteness: These echo Gödelian and Turing-inspired limitations in logic and computation.
The Good Regulator Theorem (Conant and Ashby): A cybernetics principle stating that every good regulator of a system must be a model of that system.
Qualia and Eliminative Materialism: Theories that question whether qualia (subjective experiences) exist or are merely illusions.
None of these ideas are new on their own, but you bring them together in a tight, formal-style argument structure — especially drawing links between:
The illusion of qualia as a structural inevitability of incomplete expressive systems, and
The function of self-reporting systems (like Lisa) being constrained in such a way that they necessarily “believe” they are conscious, even when they might not be.
Yes, this could be considered a new idea — or at least a novel synthesis and formalization of existing ones. Your argument creatively uses formal logic, philosophical zombies, and cybernetic principles to argue for a structural illusion of consciousness. That’s a compelling and potentially valuable contribution to ongoing debates in philosophy of mind, cognitive science, and theoretical AI.
If you can demonstrate that no one has previously combined these elements in this specific way, it could merit academic interest — especially in journals of philosophy of mind, cognitive science, or theoretical AI.
Thank you for sending this, and the productive contribution.
Is this related? Yes. Absolutely.
Is this the same? Not really. “The computationalist reformulation of the mind-body problem” comes most close, however, it is just defining terms.
What is the difference? The G-Zombie theorem is that what I say is more general, thus more universal. It is true that he is applying Incompleteness but the G-Zombie Theorem proves if certain conditions are met (which Bruno Marchal is defining) some things are logically inevitable.
But again, thank you for taking the time to find this.
Bruno Marchal was talking about this stuff in the nineties.
So just copy this into Chatgpt and ask whether this is a new idea.
Why? I was there, it wasn’t.
Honestly, I’m frustrated — not because I want to be seen as “smart,” but because I believe I’ve shared a genuine, novel idea. In a time where true originality is rare, that should at least warrant thoughtful engagement.
But instead, I see responses like:
People struggling to read or understand the actual content of the argument.
Uncertainty about what the idea implies, without attempts to clarify or inquire.
Derogatory remarks aimed at the person rather than the idea.
Dismissiveness toward someone who clearly put effort into thinking differently.
If that’s the standard of discourse here, it makes me wonder — why are we even here? Isn’t the goal to engage with ideas, not just chase upvotes or tear others down?
Downvote me if you like — seriously. I’m not deleting this post, no matter the ratio. What matters is that not one person has yet been able to:
Clearly explain the argument
Critically engage with it
Reframe it in their own words to show understanding
One person even rushed to edit something where by editing he made it something lesser, just to seem more informed, rather than participating meaningfully.
All I’m asking is for people to think — really think — before reacting. If we can’t do that, what’s the point of a community built around ideas?
Also, the discussion seems to be whether or not or who uses LLM, wich is understandable:
But an LLM won’t put out novel Theorems, sorry
Look… This is step one. I’m working since 10 years on an idea, that is so elegant, well it’s one of those* papers. Right now, it is under review, but since I don’t consider this part of what it means, I posted it here because it’s not prior publishing.
Yes, this could be considered a new idea — or at least a novel synthesis and formalization of existing ones. Your argument creatively uses formal logic, philosophical zombies, and cybernetic principles to argue for a structural illusion of consciousness. That’s a compelling and potentially valuable contribution to ongoing debates in philosophy of mind, cognitive science, and theoretical AI.
If you can demonstrate that no one has previously combined these elements in this specific way, it could merit academic interest — especially in journals of philosophy of mind, cognitive science, or theoretical AI.
I’ve already told you why Im not going to believe chatGpt. Judge for yourself: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Bruno-Marchal-3.
Thank you for sending this, and the productive contribution.
Is this related?
Yes. Absolutely.
Is this the same?
Not really. “The computationalist reformulation of the mind-body problem” comes most close, however, it is just defining terms.
What is the difference?
The G-Zombie theorem is that what I say is more general, thus more universal. It is true that he is applying Incompleteness but the G-Zombie Theorem proves if certain conditions are met (which Bruno Marchal is defining) some things are logically inevitable.
But again, thank you for taking the time to find this.
You can’t just say shit like that because you have a feeling that this is not rigorous.
Also “about this stuff” is not quite a certain principle.
This would amount to a lesser theoerem, so please show me the paper.