In the vein of “Things I Didn’t Know I Wanted”: an iPhone. I didn’t know I needed a smartphone until I got one. It has improved my life, in many small ways that I had trouble predicting. Example: I no longer have to plan anything when I’m leaving my apartment, because I know I can look up whatever I need using my phone.
I don’t really understand what the selling point of the newer models is. I’m also quite happy with a HTC Desire (apart from the internal storage running out of app install space, had to install CyanogenMod just to patch over that), since it seems to do everything I want from a thing with that particular form factor and interface constraints. Basically, browse the web, write short messages, display reflowing text documents, run a scientific calculator and play video and audio. All of these seem to generally run without me thinking “I wish I had more processing power for this”.
Not saying this is necessarily for you, but each time I’ve upgraded to an iphone with a faster processor I’ve been like “Shit this is way faster than the crap I was used to”. App loading, web page loading, google maps running faster, etc. Maybe this won’t be your experience, but it’s easy to test by borrowing a newer version of your phone.
The iPhone brings the user substantially more joy when using the product, compared to other smartphones.
When I say “joy” I also mean to indicate lack of frustration. The iPhone just works, and it works beautifully, in a way that other smartphones do not.
Now, why do I recommend paying for joy? Because you will be using your smartphone for probably multiple hours a day, for several years, and if you’re slightly happier every time you use it, that adds up.
Downvoted for wildly subjective assertions about comparative merits of smartphones.
I personally have a Galaxy Nexus, and I much prefer the extra customisation and control I have over an Android system. It “just works beautifully”, too. Feeling like I am in full control of a tiny, powerful computer in my pocket brings me a lot more joy than every time I’ve tried using an Iphone; where the lack of control made me feel like I was renting one of Apple’s devices on a probationary period, rather than owning one myself.
So this is really a matter of preference; let’s not pretend that the Iphone is simply an unequivocally “more joyful” or “better working” user experience.
The iPhone in particular is very well-thought out. For example, they aren’t including support for 4G LTE until they invent a new battery that will still last all day while connecting to 4G LTE. My friend just got a leading Android phone that has 4G LTE, but it runs out of battery after 6 hours.
I would recommend checking whether it is well-thought in the area you do care about.
I was surprised to find out that you cannot easily save PDF from a webpage to reliably keep it on the phone forever; it will be subject to cache retention policy. There are more obvious limitations, of course. Nobody is free of mistakes, so check what is obviously important for you in the specific device you are going to use.
I was surprised to find out that you cannot easily save PDF from a webpage to reliably keep it on the phone forever; it will be subject to cache retention policy.
Really? If you were referring to the iPhone, my experience is this. PDF links open by default in the browser, which copy only exists as a temporary cache. However, the window includes an “Open in iBooks” button, and using it saves a permanent copy to iBooks. iBooks is an Apple app that comes with the phone. There’s also an “Open in...” button letting you save it to any app that has indicated it is able to handle a PDF—I also have GoodReader.
Yes, it was on iPhone (specifically iPhone 1) and the owner said that he is disappointed by the situation and knows no solution. Maybe Apple fixed this problem later among some others like copy-paste.
Unfortunately for Apple, I already own an n810, and my expectations of the device willing to work in a sane-from-my-POV way, not “just work somehow” are heightened well beyond anything an Apple product can ever provide.
Clarification: I know, what I call sanity is a minority wish, and I am simply not using any devices that actively work against it.
My original point was that it is not like excellence is the driving idea of iPhone; releasing right-hand-only iPhone4 has shown that not much has changed.
Also, a device with a more-than-400MHz-CPU, more-than-128MB-RAM and more-than-1GB-storage that cannot run OpenOffice/LibreOffice without fighting what manufacturer did doesn’t “just work”.
Is this using Safari? The iCab mobile browser is a couple bucks, but infinitely more functional, including durable saving and adjustable ssd cache. There are also lots of good reader and filer apps.
As usual, there is an app for that. Dropbox, another product on this list, has an excellent iPhone app, which (among many other things) lets you save your PDF in permanent storage, and automatically sync to your computer with no extra effort.
I’ve been disappointed in minor ways with my iPhone, but nothing was significant enough to withhold a very strong recommendation from me. (Android is another story. Android devices are still very useful, but the difference in quality of experience between an Android device and an iPhone is like night and day.)
(Android is another story. Android devices are still very useful, but the difference in quality of experience between an Android device and an iPhone is like night and day.)
There is quite a bit of variance in quality among Android devices. Personally, I would take a Samsung Galaxy Nexus over an Apple iPhone.
I was pretty late on the smartphone bandwagon. The only reason I got it was to be able to use Anki on the go. Now I use about a dozen apps and get an enormous amount of value out of it.
Well, as for me, when I had a chance to hold iPhone for a few minutes, it lowered my perception of Apple from “high-quality, somewhat restrictive, expensive” to “overpriced, unpredictable quality”. What their browser did with saving PDFs was one of the things.
I do use a PDA, though—n810 from Nokia (custom GNU/Linux distribution by Nokia inside), I use bluetooth integration with two different (different operators) phones, in many things PDA helps a lot—but iPhone specifically striked me as an overall poor product.
Given that Apple doesn’t allow apps to fix every quirk, even “there is an app for that” doesn’t help. Why would I want a device that doesn’t run OpenOffice/LibreOffice?
Since OpenOffice has not been adapted and is poorly suited for touch screens, your mentioning it (twice) in a conversation about smartphones is more confusing than helpful.
Also, the n810 (which you’ve mentioned twice) is part of a product line that was discontinued about 2 years ago and never sold in large quantities.
(I know about OpenOffice and the n810 because I used Linux for my desktop platform for 17 years.)
Would you please limit your comments from now on to information that can realistically be expected to be useful to the general reader rather than only to people who have already invested heavily in very unusual hardware or software choices? For example, the vast majority of LWers who will buy a smartphone will (for excellent reasons, particularly “network effects”) buy one with a touch interface.
OpenOffice on touch-only device has two goals: first, check that you can actually get complex software (not really optimized for the platform) working without too much hassle; second, just view the files in non-trivial formats with minimal if any editing (well, sorting and searching are not too bad on medium-size devices).
N810 is EOLed, but N9 lacks only keyboard. From the platform side of things it is quite close.
I am not mentioning N810 in top-level comments (because you cannot obtain it with warranty) or first-level replies (because mentions there are seen as related recommendations) - I am only using this to explain my experience and what baseline I compare Apple products to. The post you are answering to is a reply to the claim that “iPhone just works” (which is true not for everyone’s definition of “works”).
On easily rootable Qwerty Android phones (there are some), you can get chroot + vncviewer + vnc server in chroot (and so, whatever software you need from Debian/ARM) without giving up “using Android phone” and access to the popular apps. I am not naming a specific Android Qwerty phone because I haven’t compared currently available such phones to each other and don’t currently use one. (I do know from experience that setting up the system that I described it not hard).
As for network effects.. if you buy a product with network effect being a strong factor, you have found about it not from this post’s comments.
Choosing to use PDF to distribute text (or text-and-images) on the Web today does seem like a pretty silly idea. PDF favors exact reproduction of a paper-based layout over readability on the user’s device; and that’s the opposite of what’s useful if you’re trying to get a message across to many users.
But, given that PDF is out there, it’s pretty useful for a mobile device to be able to deal with it competently.
Sorry? The problem equally applies to HTML and to everything you can read online. Also, PDF is well thought-out as a format with specific purpose. If you want to know exactly an for sure what the reader will see, you could use PDF and succeed or use HTML and make the existing problems of Web worse.
PDF is well thought-out as a format with specific purpose
I really wish I could agree with you, but I’ve read parts of the specification of the pdf file format. Perhaps the goal was well-thought-out, but certainly the format itself is not.
I no longer have to plan anything when I’m leaving my apartment
Do you mean that GPS navigation relieves you from the burden of planning your spatial transportation?
Can you please provide other examples (ideally as many as you can) about how owning an iPhone have improved your life?
As you can tell from my other comment, I’m currently very sceptical about such claims. My hypothesis is that most such claims are delusional; people are not aided by smartphones, justifying owning them as convenience while using them as entertainment and receiving additional stress and expense in the process. It would be a good occasion to be proven wrong.
Find restaurants and bars while out, of a much higher quality as compared to walking into random places
Discover what my friends are up to, without having to rely on them texting/calling me—Foursquare, Find My Friends, Facebook, Twitter.
Not write down addresses or directions
Not be bored while waiting for things
Not forget appointments
Never worry about getting lost
Read news / articles I wouldn’t otherwise read (e.g., while on the toilet)
Take photos I wouldn’t otherwise take (which create social experiences I wouldn’t otherwise have) and get geotags/dates with those photos
Show off my photos to people while I’m out
Write things down when I don’t have a notebook (and get geotags/dates with those notes using Evernote)
Take voice memos (and get geotags/dates with those memos)
Read urgent emails I would have missed until I got back to my desk
Listen to music at the gym
Pay with Square (an awesome experience. if you have an iPhone and live in San Francisco, go to Sightglass and do it once. It feels like the future.)
Reference Wikipedia and do Google searches in social contexts
Get alerted when people mention me or my business on Twitter
Check the stock market
Reserve a Zipcar at a moment’s notice while out
Track my workouts at the gym (Fitocracy)
When I see a nice house in Palo Alto, look it up on Zillow to see the exorbitant price people are paying. (Also creates fun social experiences.)
Order and pay for food delivery (Seamless)
Order and pay for a taxi (Uber)
Reference subway maps (Embark)
Dropbox in my pocket. Awesome.
A level. That’s right. I can level my wall hangings without needing to purchase an actual level.
I’m sure I’ve missed some stuff. But all these things have improved my life, some in small ways, others in rather significant ways.
FWIW, I’ve heard many people give your justification for not having a smartphone. Of those who eventually caved, every one (4 or 5 people) said something like “holy shit, why didn’t I get this a long time ago?”
Read novels (my main use for smartphones, read 100+ by now)
Listen podcasts and audio books
Record home videos
Listen to radio (when you’re curious to why the phone network is down, the electric grid has blacked out and there seem to be awfully many sirens going off outside)
Track routes and speeds of runs using GPS
Play emulated 16-bit console RPGs and strategy games that don’t demand much control dexterity
Find out what constellations are currently in the sky where you point the phone
Read barcodes and QR-codes
Photograph signs and pictures and look them up with reverse image search
SSH shell connect to remote machines
Translate text (possibly OCR’d from photos) with Google Translate
Compass
Portable audio source for a home stereo system
Quickly scan book or article pages with the high-res camera
Kitchen timer
Smart alarm clock that wakes you up when you start moving around in your sleep close to your wakeup time
Spaced repetition drills on the bus
Remote control for the media center PC
Exercise timer for Tabata, HIIT etc.
USB drive, if you have a micro-USB adapter
Watch movies and TV-shows
Emulate an RPN scientific calculator
Flashlight using the camera flash LED
Share the mobile internet connection with a quick WiFi hotspot
I don’t see what’s wrong with owning it for entertainment, and I don’t see where the stress comes from. Maybe it’s more entertaining than useful to be able to go to wikipedia whenever I have an argument or want to settle a bet, but that doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile.
Owning something for entertainment is only wrong (looks like irrational behavior for me) if one claims otherwise.
Stress comes from having additional personal computer in possession, which one has to manage, charge, mentally track location of (e.g. not lose) and respond to. Granted, dumbphone also has the above properties (and I’m regularly thinking if it is wise to have a cellphone at all), but to a limited extent.
I am actively avoiding buying a smartphone because I wouldn’t like to (descending priority):
spend my time fiddling with it
spend my mental energy fiddling with it
spend money on toys
charge a phone every day (my phone lasts a week)
be unable to read display at all times (my phone has very readable b/w display; shows time in large digits when idle)
I currently have Nokia 1208, which retailed for €25. One might consider newer Nokia 1280 as an upgrade, which has FM radio with 3.5mm headphone jask and RRP of €20. Personally, I find 1208′s build quality more appealing, and it’s thinner as well and has different style keyboard, but this is a matter of taste, probably.
In the vein of “Things I Didn’t Know I Wanted”: an iPhone. I didn’t know I needed a smartphone until I got one. It has improved my life, in many small ways that I had trouble predicting. Example: I no longer have to plan anything when I’m leaving my apartment, because I know I can look up whatever I need using my phone.
Totally agreed, you want a smartphone. Doesn’t have to be the latest and greatest, either; my two year old HTC Desire continues to make me very happy.
I don’t really understand what the selling point of the newer models is. I’m also quite happy with a HTC Desire (apart from the internal storage running out of app install space, had to install CyanogenMod just to patch over that), since it seems to do everything I want from a thing with that particular form factor and interface constraints. Basically, browse the web, write short messages, display reflowing text documents, run a scientific calculator and play video and audio. All of these seem to generally run without me thinking “I wish I had more processing power for this”.
Not saying this is necessarily for you, but each time I’ve upgraded to an iphone with a faster processor I’ve been like “Shit this is way faster than the crap I was used to”. App loading, web page loading, google maps running faster, etc. Maybe this won’t be your experience, but it’s easy to test by borrowing a newer version of your phone.
It costs several hundred dollars more than other smartphones, though. Except for battery life and status signalling, why is it better?
The iPhone brings the user substantially more joy when using the product, compared to other smartphones.
When I say “joy” I also mean to indicate lack of frustration. The iPhone just works, and it works beautifully, in a way that other smartphones do not.
Now, why do I recommend paying for joy? Because you will be using your smartphone for probably multiple hours a day, for several years, and if you’re slightly happier every time you use it, that adds up.
Downvoted for wildly subjective assertions about comparative merits of smartphones.
I personally have a Galaxy Nexus, and I much prefer the extra customisation and control I have over an Android system. It “just works beautifully”, too. Feeling like I am in full control of a tiny, powerful computer in my pocket brings me a lot more joy than every time I’ve tried using an Iphone; where the lack of control made me feel like I was renting one of Apple’s devices on a probationary period, rather than owning one myself.
So this is really a matter of preference; let’s not pretend that the Iphone is simply an unequivocally “more joyful” or “better working” user experience.
The iPhone in particular is very well-thought out. For example, they aren’t including support for 4G LTE until they invent a new battery that will still last all day while connecting to 4G LTE. My friend just got a leading Android phone that has 4G LTE, but it runs out of battery after 6 hours.
I would recommend checking whether it is well-thought in the area you do care about.
I was surprised to find out that you cannot easily save PDF from a webpage to reliably keep it on the phone forever; it will be subject to cache retention policy. There are more obvious limitations, of course. Nobody is free of mistakes, so check what is obviously important for you in the specific device you are going to use.
Really? If you were referring to the iPhone, my experience is this. PDF links open by default in the browser, which copy only exists as a temporary cache. However, the window includes an “Open in iBooks” button, and using it saves a permanent copy to iBooks. iBooks is an Apple app that comes with the phone. There’s also an “Open in...” button letting you save it to any app that has indicated it is able to handle a PDF—I also have GoodReader.
Yes, it was on iPhone (specifically iPhone 1) and the owner said that he is disappointed by the situation and knows no solution. Maybe Apple fixed this problem later among some others like copy-paste.
I started with the iPhone 4. So there’s the solution to his problem: upgrade, and experience wonderful new worlds of just-worksness!
Unfortunately for Apple, I already own an n810, and my expectations of the device willing to work in a sane-from-my-POV way, not “just work somehow” are heightened well beyond anything an Apple product can ever provide.
Clarification: I know, what I call sanity is a minority wish, and I am simply not using any devices that actively work against it.
My original point was that it is not like excellence is the driving idea of iPhone; releasing right-hand-only iPhone4 has shown that not much has changed.
Also, a device with a more-than-400MHz-CPU, more-than-128MB-RAM and more-than-1GB-storage that cannot run OpenOffice/LibreOffice without fighting what manufacturer did doesn’t “just work”.
Is this using Safari? The iCab mobile browser is a couple bucks, but infinitely more functional, including durable saving and adjustable ssd cache. There are also lots of good reader and filer apps.
As usual, there is an app for that. Dropbox, another product on this list, has an excellent iPhone app, which (among many other things) lets you save your PDF in permanent storage, and automatically sync to your computer with no extra effort.
I’ve been disappointed in minor ways with my iPhone, but nothing was significant enough to withhold a very strong recommendation from me. (Android is another story. Android devices are still very useful, but the difference in quality of experience between an Android device and an iPhone is like night and day.)
There is quite a bit of variance in quality among Android devices. Personally, I would take a Samsung Galaxy Nexus over an Apple iPhone.
I was pretty late on the smartphone bandwagon. The only reason I got it was to be able to use Anki on the go. Now I use about a dozen apps and get an enormous amount of value out of it.
Well, as for me, when I had a chance to hold iPhone for a few minutes, it lowered my perception of Apple from “high-quality, somewhat restrictive, expensive” to “overpriced, unpredictable quality”. What their browser did with saving PDFs was one of the things.
I do use a PDA, though—n810 from Nokia (custom GNU/Linux distribution by Nokia inside), I use bluetooth integration with two different (different operators) phones, in many things PDA helps a lot—but iPhone specifically striked me as an overall poor product.
Given that Apple doesn’t allow apps to fix every quirk, even “there is an app for that” doesn’t help. Why would I want a device that doesn’t run OpenOffice/LibreOffice?
Since OpenOffice has not been adapted and is poorly suited for touch screens, your mentioning it (twice) in a conversation about smartphones is more confusing than helpful.
Also, the n810 (which you’ve mentioned twice) is part of a product line that was discontinued about 2 years ago and never sold in large quantities.
(I know about OpenOffice and the n810 because I used Linux for my desktop platform for 17 years.)
Would you please limit your comments from now on to information that can realistically be expected to be useful to the general reader rather than only to people who have already invested heavily in very unusual hardware or software choices? For example, the vast majority of LWers who will buy a smartphone will (for excellent reasons, particularly “network effects”) buy one with a touch interface.
OpenOffice on touch-only device has two goals: first, check that you can actually get complex software (not really optimized for the platform) working without too much hassle; second, just view the files in non-trivial formats with minimal if any editing (well, sorting and searching are not too bad on medium-size devices).
N810 is EOLed, but N9 lacks only keyboard. From the platform side of things it is quite close.
I am not mentioning N810 in top-level comments (because you cannot obtain it with warranty) or first-level replies (because mentions there are seen as related recommendations) - I am only using this to explain my experience and what baseline I compare Apple products to. The post you are answering to is a reply to the claim that “iPhone just works” (which is true not for everyone’s definition of “works”).
On easily rootable Qwerty Android phones (there are some), you can get chroot + vncviewer + vnc server in chroot (and so, whatever software you need from Debian/ARM) without giving up “using Android phone” and access to the popular apps. I am not naming a specific Android Qwerty phone because I haven’t compared currently available such phones to each other and don’t currently use one. (I do know from experience that setting up the system that I described it not hard).
As for network effects.. if you buy a product with network effect being a strong factor, you have found about it not from this post’s comments.
Honestly, that’s because PDF is not well-thought-out.
Choosing to use PDF to distribute text (or text-and-images) on the Web today does seem like a pretty silly idea. PDF favors exact reproduction of a paper-based layout over readability on the user’s device; and that’s the opposite of what’s useful if you’re trying to get a message across to many users.
But, given that PDF is out there, it’s pretty useful for a mobile device to be able to deal with it competently.
Sorry? The problem equally applies to HTML and to everything you can read online. Also, PDF is well thought-out as a format with specific purpose. If you want to know exactly an for sure what the reader will see, you could use PDF and succeed or use HTML and make the existing problems of Web worse.
I really wish I could agree with you, but I’ve read parts of the specification of the pdf file format. Perhaps the goal was well-thought-out, but certainly the format itself is not.
Ignoring the barrier to entry involved in competing with a de facto standard like .pdf, are there any viable alternatives available?
Do you mean that GPS navigation relieves you from the burden of planning your spatial transportation?
Can you please provide other examples (ideally as many as you can) about how owning an iPhone have improved your life?
As you can tell from my other comment, I’m currently very sceptical about such claims. My hypothesis is that most such claims are delusional; people are not aided by smartphones, justifying owning them as convenience while using them as entertainment and receiving additional stress and expense in the process. It would be a good occasion to be proven wrong.
With a smartphone, I can:
Find restaurants and bars while out, of a much higher quality as compared to walking into random places
Discover what my friends are up to, without having to rely on them texting/calling me—Foursquare, Find My Friends, Facebook, Twitter.
Not write down addresses or directions
Not be bored while waiting for things
Not forget appointments
Never worry about getting lost
Read news / articles I wouldn’t otherwise read (e.g., while on the toilet)
Take photos I wouldn’t otherwise take (which create social experiences I wouldn’t otherwise have) and get geotags/dates with those photos
Show off my photos to people while I’m out
Write things down when I don’t have a notebook (and get geotags/dates with those notes using Evernote)
Take voice memos (and get geotags/dates with those memos)
Read urgent emails I would have missed until I got back to my desk
Listen to music at the gym
Pay with Square (an awesome experience. if you have an iPhone and live in San Francisco, go to Sightglass and do it once. It feels like the future.)
Reference Wikipedia and do Google searches in social contexts
Get alerted when people mention me or my business on Twitter
Check the stock market
Reserve a Zipcar at a moment’s notice while out
Track my workouts at the gym (Fitocracy)
When I see a nice house in Palo Alto, look it up on Zillow to see the exorbitant price people are paying. (Also creates fun social experiences.)
Order and pay for food delivery (Seamless)
Order and pay for a taxi (Uber)
Reference subway maps (Embark)
Dropbox in my pocket. Awesome.
A level. That’s right. I can level my wall hangings without needing to purchase an actual level.
I’m sure I’ve missed some stuff. But all these things have improved my life, some in small ways, others in rather significant ways.
FWIW, I’ve heard many people give your justification for not having a smartphone. Of those who eventually caved, every one (4 or 5 people) said something like “holy shit, why didn’t I get this a long time ago?”
Read novels (my main use for smartphones, read 100+ by now)
Listen podcasts and audio books
Record home videos
Listen to radio (when you’re curious to why the phone network is down, the electric grid has blacked out and there seem to be awfully many sirens going off outside)
Track routes and speeds of runs using GPS
Play emulated 16-bit console RPGs and strategy games that don’t demand much control dexterity
Find out what constellations are currently in the sky where you point the phone
Read barcodes and QR-codes
Photograph signs and pictures and look them up with reverse image search
SSH shell connect to remote machines
Translate text (possibly OCR’d from photos) with Google Translate
Compass
Portable audio source for a home stereo system
Quickly scan book or article pages with the high-res camera
Kitchen timer
Smart alarm clock that wakes you up when you start moving around in your sleep close to your wakeup time
Spaced repetition drills on the bus
Remote control for the media center PC
Exercise timer for Tabata, HIIT etc.
USB drive, if you have a micro-USB adapter
Watch movies and TV-shows
Emulate an RPN scientific calculator
Flashlight using the camera flash LED
Share the mobile internet connection with a quick WiFi hotspot
I have Android:
Sleep duration data collection (Sleepbot)
Sleepiness forecast (Sleep watcher)
Google Drive (writing/spreadsheet)
White noise/nature sounds for going to sleep (Lightning bug)
Bed lamp (full screen light)
Notes (Catch)
Google Tasks integration (gtasks)
Calendar
Countdown and count up timer
Sudoku
Streaming audio (SomaFM)
Fitness improvement (100 Squats)
Camera/Photo manipulation (Painteresque/Vignette/Paper Camera)
Knitting pattern counter/row counter
Habit building reminder (Beeminder/Habit streak/FailLog/TaskLife)
Daily diary
Rain forecast for where I am (SkyMotion)
Shared grocery list
Current images of earth cloud cover and of the sun (Solaris)
Current wave height, temperature and other data covering the whole earth (Earth Now)
Dual-n-back
IRC client (Android IRC)
walk tracking (MyTracks)
Psychological first aid (The Tools)
Work timer (Pomodroido)
When should I call my family again (Nextcall)
I don’t see what’s wrong with owning it for entertainment, and I don’t see where the stress comes from. Maybe it’s more entertaining than useful to be able to go to wikipedia whenever I have an argument or want to settle a bet, but that doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile.
Owning something for entertainment is only wrong (looks like irrational behavior for me) if one claims otherwise.
Stress comes from having additional personal computer in possession, which one has to manage, charge, mentally track location of (e.g. not lose) and respond to. Granted, dumbphone also has the above properties (and I’m regularly thinking if it is wise to have a cellphone at all), but to a limited extent.
I am actively avoiding buying a smartphone because I wouldn’t like to (descending priority):
spend my time fiddling with it
spend my mental energy fiddling with it
spend money on toys
charge a phone every day (my phone lasts a week)
be unable to read display at all times (my phone has very readable b/w display; shows time in large digits when idle)
I currently have Nokia 1208, which retailed for €25. One might consider newer Nokia 1280 as an upgrade, which has FM radio with 3.5mm headphone jask and RRP of €20. Personally, I find 1208′s build quality more appealing, and it’s thinner as well and has different style keyboard, but this is a matter of taste, probably.
What am I missing?