Thanks for answering; good to hear that you don’t think you’ve had any severe or long-lasting consequences (though it sounds like one time LSD was a contributor to your episode of bad mental health).
I guess here’s other question that seems natural: it’s been said that some people take LSD on either the personal advice of Michael Vassar, or otherwise as a result of reading/discussing his ideas. Are either of those true for you?
The Local Vasserite has directly stated “i purposefully induce mania in people, as taught by Michael Vassar”. Seems like the connection to michael Vassar is not very tenuous. At least that is my judgement. Others can disagree. Vassar does not have to personally administer the method or be currently supportive of his former student.
Nope. I’ve never directly interacted with Vassar at all, and I haven’t made any particular decisions at all due to his ideas. Like, I’ve become more familiar with his work as of the past several months, but it was one thing of many.
I spent a lot of time thinking about ontology and anthropics and religion and stuff… mostly I think the reason weird stuff happened to me at the same time as I learned more about Vassar is just that I started rethinking rather a lot of things at the same time, where “are Vassar’s ideas worth considering?” was just one specific question that came up of many. (Plausibly the expectation that Vassar’s ideas might be dangerous turned slightly into a self-fulfilling prophecy by making it more likely for me to expand on them in weirder directions or something.)
I am currently holding a rough hypothesis of “when someone is interested in exploring psychosis and psychedelics, they become more interested in Michael Vassar’s ideas”, in that the former causes the latter, rather than the other way around.
I can attest to something kind of like this; in mid-late 2020, I
already knew Michael (but had been out of touch with him for a while) and was interested in his ideas (but hadn’t seriously thought about them in a while)
started doing some weird intense introspection (no drugs involved) that led to noticing some deeply surprising things & entering novel sometimes-disruptive mental states
noticed that Michael/Ben/Jessica were talking about some of the same things I was picking up on, and started reading & thinking a lot more about their online writing
(IIRC, this noticing was not entirely conscious — to some extent it was just having a much stronger intuition that what they were saying was interesting)
didn’t directly interact with any of them during this period, except for one early phone conversation with Ben which helped me get out of a very unpleasant state (that I’d gotten into by, more or less, decompartmentalizing some things about myself that I was unprepared to deal with)
From my conversations with Vassar, I think there’s a sense of “There’s a lot that’s possible to do in the world, if you just ignore social conventions” that’s downstream from being accepting what Vassar says. A person who previously didn’t take any psychedelics because of social conventions, might become more open to taking psychedelics and thinking about whether it makes sense to take them.
Ah, again a situation where ethical concerns are an obstacle to science! We obviously need to ban Michael from a randomly selected half of LW meetups, and invite him to the other half.
Thanks for answering; good to hear that you don’t think you’ve had any severe or long-lasting consequences (though it sounds like one time LSD was a contributor to your episode of bad mental health).
I guess here’s other question that seems natural: it’s been said that some people take LSD on either the personal advice of Michael Vassar, or otherwise as a result of reading/discussing his ideas. Are either of those true for you?
The Local Vasserite has directly stated “i purposefully induce mania in people, as taught by Michael Vassar”. Seems like the connection to michael Vassar is not very tenuous. At least that is my judgement. Others can disagree. Vassar does not have to personally administer the method or be currently supportive of his former student.
Nope. I’ve never directly interacted with Vassar at all, and I haven’t made any particular decisions at all due to his ideas. Like, I’ve become more familiar with his work as of the past several months, but it was one thing of many.
I spent a lot of time thinking about ontology and anthropics and religion and stuff… mostly I think the reason weird stuff happened to me at the same time as I learned more about Vassar is just that I started rethinking rather a lot of things at the same time, where “are Vassar’s ideas worth considering?” was just one specific question that came up of many. (Plausibly the expectation that Vassar’s ideas might be dangerous turned slightly into a self-fulfilling prophecy by making it more likely for me to expand on them in weirder directions or something.)
Thanks again.
I am currently holding a rough hypothesis of “when someone is interested in exploring psychosis and psychedelics, they become more interested in Michael Vassar’s ideas”, in that the former causes the latter, rather than the other way around.
I can attest to something kind of like this; in mid-late 2020, I
already knew Michael (but had been out of touch with him for a while) and was interested in his ideas (but hadn’t seriously thought about them in a while)
started doing some weird intense introspection (no drugs involved) that led to noticing some deeply surprising things & entering novel sometimes-disruptive mental states
noticed that Michael/Ben/Jessica were talking about some of the same things I was picking up on, and started reading & thinking a lot more about their online writing
(IIRC, this noticing was not entirely conscious — to some extent it was just having a much stronger intuition that what they were saying was interesting)
didn’t directly interact with any of them during this period, except for one early phone conversation with Ben which helped me get out of a very unpleasant state (that I’d gotten into by, more or less, decompartmentalizing some things about myself that I was unprepared to deal with)
From my conversations with Vassar, I think there’s a sense of “There’s a lot that’s possible to do in the world, if you just ignore social conventions” that’s downstream from being accepting what Vassar says. A person who previously didn’t take any psychedelics because of social conventions, might become more open to taking psychedelics and thinking about whether it makes sense to take them.
Ah, again a situation where ethical concerns are an obstacle to science! We obviously need to ban Michael from a randomly selected half of LW meetups, and invite him to the other half.