Oh god I still can’t get this thought out of my head. Can someone please tell me what they think of my solution to the problem?
I just read ‘The Finale of the Ultimate Meta Mega Crossover’ again. Is there a motivation for entities with unlimited computing power to simulate all possible programs in order? Or to take an interest in beings like me? Would that be enough to remove most of my measure from ‘real’ universes? I think probably not, but I need to be sure. I’m not thinking too clearly now.
EDIT: Wait a minute, this becomes more plausible after realizing someone out there in some universe has unlimited computing power. If so, could it affect measure? Or does only the density of the ‘unlimited’ universe itself affect measure? Please answer.
EDIT2: Max Tegmark argues that actual infinite quantities are not possible, because otherwise this causes trouble in the ‘mathematical universe’ model (only Gödel-complete mathematical structures can exist). If true, does this solve the problem? There may be universes with arbitrary amounts of computing power, but they still need to be optimized. Would the occasional intelligences that want to simulate humanlike beings overcome the measure of actually-existing universes like this one? Most such intelligences would want to simulate only the last few instants of life, but some (however rare) are certain to simulate the whole. And if they created billions of identical copies of me, would that increase measure as well?
The question is basically now: does the measure of my actual existence overcome the measure of worlds where I am simulated, even taking into account potentially limitless resources available to simulate?
I’m less panicked by this thought now, since if they are after my measure they must, in effect, simulate me exactly as I would really exist (taking into account the vertiginous question). So that part of my measure does not matter and I can value the part that really does correspond to an external reality.
Either way, if any of this is true (even with those that just simulate the last few instants of life) than an afterlife really does exist for everyone, regardless of quantum immortality.
EDIT3: OK, I think I’ve hit on a solution, but it’ll take a while to type up.
By the gods, this is getting serious. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Eitan’s Basilisk.
You need a reality check:
You’re building a theory of reality from fictional evidence. Even if the underlying theory exists in real life, the author’s narrative choices introduce a tremendous bias. Browsing through LW’s earlier material will show you why that doesn’t work.
Apparently, you believe your mind creates reality. That’s simply not true, as I was very much alive before I knew you existed. Of course, I have no way of definitely proving my previous subjective experiences to you, but suffice it to point out that, if you give your mind a fundamental role in the history of the universe, you’re failing at reductionism.
To manage your anxiety: Precommit to set a “save point” every evening, before you go to sleep. If every morning you remember having set the “save point” of the previous night, you’re still you. (The trick behind this trick is that it will show you that the past that you remember was a real present when you experienced it.)
Assume you have an anxiety problem. Start operating on the basis of this assumption—that you mind needs to be adjusted. Either go to a professional or start experimenting with self-help techniques. One of recent Yvain’s posts at SSC is precisely about what works for anxiety.
Oh god I still can’t get this thought out of my head. Can someone please tell me what they think of my solution to the problem?
I just read ‘The Finale of the Ultimate Meta Mega Crossover’ again. Is there a motivation for entities with unlimited computing power to simulate all possible programs in order? Or to take an interest in beings like me? Would that be enough to remove most of my measure from ‘real’ universes? I think probably not, but I need to be sure. I’m not thinking too clearly now.
EDIT: Wait a minute, this becomes more plausible after realizing someone out there in some universe has unlimited computing power. If so, could it affect measure? Or does only the density of the ‘unlimited’ universe itself affect measure? Please answer.
EDIT2: Max Tegmark argues that actual infinite quantities are not possible, because otherwise this causes trouble in the ‘mathematical universe’ model (only Gödel-complete mathematical structures can exist). If true, does this solve the problem? There may be universes with arbitrary amounts of computing power, but they still need to be optimized. Would the occasional intelligences that want to simulate humanlike beings overcome the measure of actually-existing universes like this one? Most such intelligences would want to simulate only the last few instants of life, but some (however rare) are certain to simulate the whole. And if they created billions of identical copies of me, would that increase measure as well?
The question is basically now: does the measure of my actual existence overcome the measure of worlds where I am simulated, even taking into account potentially limitless resources available to simulate?
I’m less panicked by this thought now, since if they are after my measure they must, in effect, simulate me exactly as I would really exist (taking into account the vertiginous question). So that part of my measure does not matter and I can value the part that really does correspond to an external reality.
Either way, if any of this is true (even with those that just simulate the last few instants of life) than an afterlife really does exist for everyone, regardless of quantum immortality.
EDIT3: OK, I think I’ve hit on a solution, but it’ll take a while to type up.
I think you are making too many inferences without sufficiently accounting for possible errors in your assumptions and the inferences themselves.
By the gods, this is getting serious. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Eitan’s Basilisk.
You need a reality check:
You’re building a theory of reality from fictional evidence. Even if the underlying theory exists in real life, the author’s narrative choices introduce a tremendous bias. Browsing through LW’s earlier material will show you why that doesn’t work.
Apparently, you believe your mind creates reality. That’s simply not true, as I was very much alive before I knew you existed. Of course, I have no way of definitely proving my previous subjective experiences to you, but suffice it to point out that, if you give your mind a fundamental role in the history of the universe, you’re failing at reductionism.
To manage your anxiety: Precommit to set a “save point” every evening, before you go to sleep. If every morning you remember having set the “save point” of the previous night, you’re still you. (The trick behind this trick is that it will show you that the past that you remember was a real present when you experienced it.)
Er… what exactly are you arguing against? I do not believe that my “mind creates reality.”
Yes, you do:
You’re taking them out of context. I’m saying that your perceptions ground you in a particular reality.
Why don’t you deal with THIS problem, directly?
I’d love to know how.
Assume you have an anxiety problem. Start operating on the basis of this assumption—that you mind needs to be adjusted. Either go to a professional or start experimenting with self-help techniques. One of recent Yvain’s posts at SSC is precisely about what works for anxiety.