I want to share these links in the comments because I hope people who, like me, find audio more accessible, are able to learn of the existence of this podcast feed. I put a fair bit of work into ensuring a high-quality audio feed. I’m not trying to just spam, but if this is outside the norms of lesswrong, please let me know.
Autonomy/boundaries is an important value. Hence even actual help that makes everything substantially better can be unwanted. (In this particular case there is already a similar existing feature, it’s more ambiguous.)
everyone who downvoted you is personally responsible for this site having gotten worse
So even in the less convenient possible world where this is clearly true, such unwanting is a part of what matters, its expression lets it be heard. It can sometimes be better for things to be worse. Value is path-dependent, it’s not just about the outcome.
It’s not my own position in this case, but it’s a sensible position even in this case. And taking up the spot of the top comment might be going too far. Minor costs add up but get ignored as a result of sacredness norms, such as linking downvoting to clearly personally making things worse.
The point is distinction between the value of the greater good and the means of achieving it. Values about spacetime rather than values about some future that forgets the past leading to it. Applicability of this general point to this incident is dubious, but the general point seems valid (and relevant to reasoning behind condemnation of individual instances of downvoting in such cases).
You may wish to know that there is built in audio narration. You can click the little speaker icon underneath the title to pop up the audio player. Also, if you search “Lesswrong Curated & Popular” on a podcast service, you should be able to find a podcast feed of those posts.
Thanks! Yes, I am aware, please, I would encourage you to listen to the difference. I am running this through ElevenLabs, which is currently (IMO) at the forefront of humanlike voices, if produces lifelike tone and cadenced based on cues. I also go through and assign every unique quoted person a unique voice, to ensure clear differentiation when listening, alongside extracting text from images, and providing a description when appropriate.
I really do implore you, please, have a listen to a section and reply back how you find it in comparison.
I do think the eleven labs voice is a bunch better for a lot of the text. My understanding is that stuff like LaTeX is very hard to do with it, and various other things like image captions and other fine-tuning that T3Audio has done make the floor of its quality a bunch worse than the current audio, but I think I agree that for posts like this, it does seem straightforwardly better than the T3Audio narration.
Yeah, just plugging any old unadjusted text straight in to ElevenLabs would get you funky results. I really like Zvi’s posts though, I think they are high quality, combining both great original content and a fantastic distillation of quoted views from across the sphere. I do fair amount of work on the text of each post to ensure a good podcast episode gets made out of each one.
Whew, this heroic length post translates to 2 hours and 23 minutes of top-quality narration :D
Podcast episode for this post:
https://open.substack.com/pub/dwatvpodcast/p/ai-75-math-is-easier?r=67y1h&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
I want to share these links in the comments because I hope people who, like me, find audio more accessible, are able to learn of the existence of this podcast feed. I put a fair bit of work into ensuring a high-quality audio feed. I’m not trying to just spam, but if this is outside the norms of lesswrong, please let me know.
Thank you for your service. This is a good thing, and everyone who downvoted you is personally responsible for this site having gotten worse.
Autonomy/boundaries is an important value. Hence even actual help that makes everything substantially better can be unwanted. (In this particular case there is already a similar existing feature, it’s more ambiguous.)
So even in the less convenient possible world where this is clearly true, such unwanting is a part of what matters, its expression lets it be heard. It can sometimes be better for things to be worse. Value is path-dependent, it’s not just about the outcome.
It’s not my own position in this case, but it’s a sensible position even in this case. And taking up the spot of the top comment might be going too far. Minor costs add up but get ignored as a result of sacredness norms, such as linking downvoting to clearly personally making things worse.
“It can sometimes be better for things to be worse.”
I will just leave that there with no further comment.
The point is distinction between the value of the greater good and the means of achieving it. Values about spacetime rather than values about some future that forgets the past leading to it. Applicability of this general point to this incident is dubious, but the general point seems valid (and relevant to reasoning behind condemnation of individual instances of downvoting in such cases).
I’ve upvoted this post back into life, to be clear.
You may wish to know that there is built in audio narration. You can click the little speaker icon underneath the title to pop up the audio player. Also, if you search “Lesswrong Curated & Popular” on a podcast service, you should be able to find a podcast feed of those posts.
Thanks! Yes, I am aware, please, I would encourage you to listen to the difference. I am running this through ElevenLabs, which is currently (IMO) at the forefront of humanlike voices, if produces lifelike tone and cadenced based on cues. I also go through and assign every unique quoted person a unique voice, to ensure clear differentiation when listening, alongside extracting text from images, and providing a description when appropriate.
I really do implore you, please, have a listen to a section and reply back how you find it in comparison.
I do think the eleven labs voice is a bunch better for a lot of the text. My understanding is that stuff like LaTeX is very hard to do with it, and various other things like image captions and other fine-tuning that T3Audio has done make the floor of its quality a bunch worse than the current audio, but I think I agree that for posts like this, it does seem straightforwardly better than the T3Audio narration.
Yeah, just plugging any old unadjusted text straight in to ElevenLabs would get you funky results. I really like Zvi’s posts though, I think they are high quality, combining both great original content and a fantastic distillation of quoted views from across the sphere. I do fair amount of work on the text of each post to ensure a good podcast episode gets made out of each one.