As long as others know and believe in such concepts, it is important that your child learns about them from a trustworthy source, before being introduced to such concepts by fairy-believers.
As long as others know and believe in such concepts, it is important that your child learns about them from a trustworthy source, before being introduced to such concepts by fairy-believers.
This is especially the case if the message is generalized. That is, if the well meaning but naive parent tries to keep their children ignorant of all things bullshit. They are deprived key critical thinking skills and the ability to comfortably interact (and reject) nonsense beliefs that will be thrust on them.
I’m almost certain you didn’t intent to imply that Santa Claus does not belong in the category “all things bullshit” yet it seems to be the only meaning that makes the parent fit the context.
I think Eliezer means that telling children about Santa Claus is a good opportunity for them to practice critical thinking skills etc.
Yes, obviously. And him doing so indicates that he did not read what he was responding to. Because the elimination that practice due to the enforced deprivation of Santa Claus (and all other bullshit in that class) is precisely the downside that the preceding comment laments. (If the problem is “All things starting with ‘a’ have disappeared” the solution is not “that is what apples are for”. That makes no sense.)
I don’t see how you’re disagreeing with Eliezer about anything. As far as I can tell, you both think it’s a good idea to teach children about nonsense as an exercise in critical thinking. Eliezer thinks Santa Claus is a good example of this. Have I misrepresented your position or your interpretation of Eliezer’s position here?
As long as others know and believe in such concepts, it is important that your child learns about them from a trustworthy source, before being introduced to such concepts by fairy-believers.
This is especially the case if the message is generalized. That is, if the well meaning but naive parent tries to keep their children ignorant of all things bullshit. They are deprived key critical thinking skills and the ability to comfortably interact (and reject) nonsense beliefs that will be thrust on them.
That’s what Santa Claus is for.
I’m almost certain you didn’t intent to imply that Santa Claus does not belong in the category “all things bullshit” yet it seems to be the only meaning that makes the parent fit the context.
I think Eliezer means that telling children about Santa Claus is a good opportunity for them to practice critical thinking skills etc.
Yes, obviously. And him doing so indicates that he did not read what he was responding to. Because the elimination that practice due to the enforced deprivation of Santa Claus (and all other bullshit in that class) is precisely the downside that the preceding comment laments. (If the problem is “All things starting with ‘a’ have disappeared” the solution is not “that is what apples are for”. That makes no sense.)
I don’t see how you’re disagreeing with Eliezer about anything. As far as I can tell, you both think it’s a good idea to teach children about nonsense as an exercise in critical thinking. Eliezer thinks Santa Claus is a good example of this. Have I misrepresented your position or your interpretation of Eliezer’s position here?