The fact that you are not going to worry about morality, does not make morality a) false b) meaningless or c) subjective. Can I take it you are no longer arguing for any of claims a) b) or c) ?
The difference is, believing “The world is round” affects whether I win or not, whereas believing “I’m morally in the wrong” does not.
You have not succeeded in showing that winning is the most important thing.
The fact that you are not going to worry about morality, does not make morality a) false b) meaningless or c) subjective. Can I take it you are no longer arguing for any of claims a) b) or c) ?
I’ve never argued (a), I’m still arguing (actually just informing you) that the words “objective morality” are meaningless to me, and I’m still arguing (c) but only in the sense that it is equivalent to (b): in other words, I can only await some argument that morality is objective. (But first I’d need a definition!)
You have not succeeded in showing that winning is the most important thing.
I’m using the word winning as a synonym for “getting what I want,” and I understand the most important thing to mean “what I care about most.” And I mean “want” and “care about” in a way that makes it tautological. Keep in mind I want other people to be happy, not suffer, etc. Nothing either of us have argued so far indicates we would necessarily have different moral sentiments about anything.
The fact that you are not going to worry about morality, does not make morality a) false b) meaningless or c) subjective. Can I take it you are no longer arguing for any of claims a) b) or c) ?
I’ve never argued (a), I’m still arguing (actually just informing you) that the words “objective morality” are meaningless to me
You are not actually being all that informative, since there remains a distinct supsicion that when you say some X is meaningless-to-you, that is a
proxy for I-don’t-agree-with-it. I notice throughout these discussions that
you never reference accepted dictiionary definitions as a basis for meaningfullness,
but instead always offer some kind of idiosyncratic personal testimony.
and I’m still arguing (c) but only in the sense that it is equivalent to (b): in other words, I can only await some argument that morality is objective. (But first I’d need a definition!)
What is wrong with dictionary definitions?
You have not succeeded in showing that winning is the most important thing.
I’m using the word winning as a synonym for “getting what I want,” and I understand the most important thing to mean “what I care about most.”
That doesn’t affect anything. You still have no proof for the revised version.
And I mean “want” and “care about” in a way that makes it tautological. Keep in mind I want other people to be happy
Other people out there in the non-existent Objective World?
, not suffer, etc. Nothing either of us have argued so far indicates we would necessarily have different moral sentiments about anything.
I don’t think moral anti-realists are generally immoral people. I do think it is an intellectual mistake, whether or not you care about that.
You are not actually being all that informative, since there remains a distinct supsicion that when you say some X is meaningless-to-you, that is a proxy for I-don’t-agree-with-it.
Zorg said the same thing about his pan-galactic ethics.
I notice throughout these discussions that you never reference accepted dictiionary definitions as a basis for meaningfullness, but instead always offer some kind of idiosyncratic personal testimony.
Did you even read the post we’re commenting on?
That doesn’t affect anything. You still have no proof for the revised version.
Wait, you want proof that getting what I want is what I care about most?
Other people out there in the non-existent Objective World?
Read what I wrote again.
I don’t think moral anti-realists are generally immoral peopl
The fact that you are not going to worry about morality, does not make morality a) false b) meaningless or c) subjective. Can I take it you are no longer arguing for any of claims a) b) or c) ?
You have not succeeded in showing that winning is the most important thing.
I’ve never argued (a), I’m still arguing (actually just informing you) that the words “objective morality” are meaningless to me, and I’m still arguing (c) but only in the sense that it is equivalent to (b): in other words, I can only await some argument that morality is objective. (But first I’d need a definition!)
I’m using the word winning as a synonym for “getting what I want,” and I understand the most important thing to mean “what I care about most.” And I mean “want” and “care about” in a way that makes it tautological. Keep in mind I want other people to be happy, not suffer, etc. Nothing either of us have argued so far indicates we would necessarily have different moral sentiments about anything.
You are not actually being all that informative, since there remains a distinct supsicion that when you say some X is meaningless-to-you, that is a proxy for I-don’t-agree-with-it. I notice throughout these discussions that you never reference accepted dictiionary definitions as a basis for meaningfullness, but instead always offer some kind of idiosyncratic personal testimony.
What is wrong with dictionary definitions?
That doesn’t affect anything. You still have no proof for the revised version.
Other people out there in the non-existent Objective World?
I don’t think moral anti-realists are generally immoral people. I do think it is an intellectual mistake, whether or not you care about that.
Zorg said the same thing about his pan-galactic ethics.
Did you even read the post we’re commenting on?
Wait, you want proof that getting what I want is what I care about most?
Read what I wrote again.
Read.