Wow, the part you quote is fascinating. I would suggest what is missing is simply an ability to understand that the “present” you remain in is you alone, sharply defined. Once you let go or are forced to let go, you will be us. Perhaps I have been reading too much Christian de Quincey though......
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“Thoughts take the form of silently talking to myself.”
Is that not a form of “mental imagery”?
The semantics are important in understanding the debate. Perhaps that is obvious to the rationalists here, but it seems to me this was essentially a semantic debate (the last few comments between gwern and byrnema), with which I tend to agree with byrnema. Perhaps it could be helpful to clearly define the expected denotation of “empathy”? Wikipedia states “Empathy is the capacity to recognize and, to some extent, share feelings (such as sadness or happiness) that are being experienced by another sapient or semi-sapient being” whereas dictionary dot com defines it quite a bit more broadly as “1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another. 2. the imaginative ascribing to an object, as a natural object or work of art, feelings or attitudes present in oneself: By means of empathy, a great painting becomes a mirror of the self. ”
I guess my point is I have always thought of the term in the broader sense, and I don’t think anyone can have any understanding whatsoever without the broader form of “Empathy”. Perhaps my own connotations are filtering in there too.
I’m a LW newbie(lurker, just created this to post) in the SC/UP area, but I don’t think I can make this meetup. If it works out that I can I will be there.
Sentience is certainly not fundamental in the way you describe it, so I agree with your points. I would however, argue that from my perspective as an “agnostic theist” when you look at the infinite or at least the “not appearing to be finite” universe, one cannot rule out the possibility of some greater sentient being (which we might perceive as a god). In fact if one accepts that the universe is infinite, the wouldn’t some “greater” being have to exist? That being said, I really cannot fathom infinite. But I guess I just don’t know....