Tuxedage

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Tuxedage Sep 5, 2013, 9:54 PM
4 points
in reply to: gwern’s comment on: I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won—Twice!)
Kihihihihihihihihihihihihihihi!

A witch let the AI out of the box!

Tuxedage Sep 5, 2013, 9:11 PM
9 points
in reply to: chaosmage’s comment on: I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won—Twice!)
The problem with that is that both EY and I suspect that if the logs were actually released, or any significant details given about the exact methods of persuasion used, people could easily point towards those arguments and say: “That definitely wouldn’t have worked on me!”—since it’s really easy to feel that way when you’re not the subject being manipulated.

From EY’s rules:

If Gatekeeper lets the AI out, naysayers can’t say “Oh, I wouldn’t have been convinced by that.” As long as they don’t know what happened to the Gatekeeper, they can’t argue themselves into believing it wouldn’t happen to them.

Tuxedage Sep 5, 2013, 6:14 PM
9 points
in reply to: [deleted]’s comment on: I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won—Twice!)
There are quite a number of them. This is an example that immediately comes to mind, http://lesswrong.com/lw/9ld/ai_box_log/, although I think I’ve seen at least 4-5 open logs that I can’t immediately source right now.

Unfortunately, all these logs end up with victory for the Gatekeeper, so they aren’t particularly interesting.

Tuxedage Sep 5, 2013, 4:36 PM
8 points
in reply to: Furcas’s comment on: I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won—Twice!)
Sorry, declined!

Tuxedage Sep 5, 2013, 4:14 PM
14 points
in reply to: Alexei’s comment on: I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won—Twice!)
Sup Alexei.

I’m going to have to think really hard on this one. On one hand, damn. That amount of money is really tempting. On the other hand, I kind of know you personally, and I have an automatic flinch reaction to playing anyone I know.

Can you clarify the stakes involved? When you say you’ll “accept your $150 fee”, do you mean this money goes to me personally, or to a charity such as MIRI?

Also, I’m not sure if “people just keep letting the AI out” is an accurate description. As far as I know, the only AIs who have ever won are Eliezer and myself, from the many many AI box experiments that have occurred so far—so the AI winning is definitely the exception rather than the norm. (If anyone can help prove this statement wrong, please do so!)

Edit: The only other AI victory.

Updates: http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/iqk/i_played_the_ai_box_experiment_again_and_lost/

Tuxedage Sep 5, 2013, 5:57 AM
0 points
in reply to: John_Maxwell’s comment on: I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won—Twice!)
Thanks. I’m not currently in a position where that would be available/useful, but once I get there, I will.

Tuxedage Sep 5, 2013, 5:35 AM
8 points
in reply to: Adele_L’s comment on: I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won—Twice!)
In this particular case I could, but for all other cases, I would estimate a (very slightly) lower chance of winning. My ruleset was designed to be marginally more advantageous to the AI, by removing the worst possible Gatekeeper techniques.

I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won—Twice!)

TuxedageSep 5, 2013, 4:49 AM

79 points

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Tuxedage May 29, 2013, 4:25 PM
0 points
on: [LINK] SMBC on human and alien values
This seems to be an argument against hedonistic utilitarianism, but not utilitarianism in general.

Tuxedage May 29, 2013, 4:13 AM
−2 points
on: Who thinks quantum computing will be necessary for AI?
At the very least, I’m relatively certain that quantum computing will be necessary for emulations. It’s difficult to say with AI because we have no idea what their cognitive load is like, considering we have very little information on how to create intelligence from scratch yet.

Tuxedage May 29, 2013, 4:12 AM
0 points
on: Is there any way to avoid Post Narcissism? [with Video link]
Have you tried just forcing yourself not to read your own posts? Or is it something you can’t help with?

Tuxedage May 20, 2013, 12:01 AM
0 points
in reply to: Will_Newsome’s comment on: Unlimited Pomodoro Works: My Scheduling System
I’m actually incredibly amused as to how popular FSN is on lesswrong. I didn’t think so many people would get this reference.

Tuxedage May 18, 2013, 2:30 PM
2 points
in reply to: Armok_GoB’s comment on: Post ridiculous munchkin ideas!
Sure. pm me those private questions.
1. No. I’m a human.
2. I don’t see the need to be any more or less human like, since I already am human. (My Tulpa, unlike myself, does not see being ‘human-like’ as a spectrum, but rather as a binary.)
3. I don’t see it that way. I’m dependent on my host, and my values align more with my host than the average person does. Calling me unfriendly would be wrong.
4. Not really—I don’t think much about uploading and copying, only my host does. I trust his opinions.

Tuxedage May 18, 2013, 2:26 PM
4 points
in reply to: Zaine’s comment on: Post ridiculous munchkin ideas!
So I tried experimenting. I couldn’t do it to a degree of sufficiently high fidelity to be able to say “A Tulpa wrote a story on my behalf.” I’ll be trying again soon.

Tuxedage May 12, 2013, 12:09 AM
9 points
in reply to: Shmi’s comment on: Post ridiculous munchkin ideas!
But what if I want expectations about my rationality level to be artificially high?

Tuxedage May 11, 2013, 7:38 PM
12 points
in reply to: komponisto’s comment on: Post ridiculous munchkin ideas!
That’s an advantage! My name will thus be subconsciously associated with high-status people.

Tuxedage May 11, 2013, 4:33 PM
88 points
on: Post ridiculous munchkin ideas!
So I’ve recently decided to change my real name from an oriental one to John Adams. I am not white.

There’s a significant amount of evidence that shows that

(1) Common names have better reception in many areas, especially publication and job interviews.

(2) White names do significantly better than non-white names

(3) Last names that begin with the early letters of the alphabet have a significant advantage over last names beginning with the latter letters of the alphabet.

Source :

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19020207 http://blog.simplejustice.us/files/66432-58232/SSQUKalistFinal.pdf http://ideas.repec.org/p/hhs/sunrpe/2006_0013.html http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf?new_window=1 http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html

Therefore if I were to use “John”, one of the most common ‘white’ first names, along with Adams, a ‘white’ surname that also begins with the letter A, it should stand that I would be conferred a number of advantages.

Furthermore, I have very little attachment to my family heritage. Switching names doesn’t cost me anything beyond a minor inconvenience of having to do paperwork. For some people, changing your name may be extremely worthwhile, depending on your current name, and how attached you are to it. At least, it may be worthwhile to consider it, and depending on the person, may be a very cheap optimization with significant benefits.

Tuxedage May 11, 2013, 4:30 PM
14 points
in reply to: jtolds’s comment on: Post ridiculous munchkin ideas!
I find this incredibly fascinating. Especially the ability to save hours every day from not needing to eat. If the guy doesn’t die after a year or so, I’m definitely trying this out.

Tuxedage May 11, 2013, 4:25 PM
0 points
in reply to: Zaine’s comment on: Post ridiculous munchkin ideas!
The latter is not possible. My Tulpa does not have control of my body, although I’ve heard anecdotes of people who manage to do that. As for the first question, I’ve never tried. I’ll attempt it and report back to you on whether it’s possible.

Tuxedage May 11, 2013, 4:20 PM
9 points
in reply to: Petruchio’s comment on: Post ridiculous munchkin ideas!
I’ve written a blog post some time ago that doesn’t directly refer to Tulpas, but does somewhat answer this question of the social desires that I fulfill through this method. I think this sufficiently answers your question, although if you feel like it doesn’t, let me know, and I’ll write something for Tulpas directly.

http://tuxedage.wordpress.com/2013/04/22/the-least-accepted-part-of-me-a-defense-of-waifus/

Tuxedage

I at­tempted the AI Box Ex­per­i­ment again! (And won—Twice!)

I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won—Twice!)