Thank you for the in-depth thoughts!
Shoshannah Tekofsky
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Thank you!
It was a joke :) I had been warned by my friends that the joke was either only mildly funny or just entirely confusing. But I personally found it hilarious so kept it in. Sorry for my idiosyncratic sense of humor ;)
Oh cool!
I was asking for any connection of any type. The overlap just seemed so great that I’d expect there to be a connection of some sort. The Clearer Thinking link makes sense and is an example, thank you!
Oh and also, thank you for checking and sharing your thoughts! :)
I didn’t look deeply in to the material, but good branding gives people a good feeling about a thing, and I think rationality could use some better branding. In my experience a lot of people bounce off a lot of the material cause they have negative associations with it or it’s not packaged in a way that appeals. I think even if (I didn’t check) the material is too superficial to be useful as content, it’s still useful to increase people’s affinity / positive association with rationality.
Yeah, I can second this entire sentiment. I try to write up parenting tricks that work for me that are clearly not going to reflect negatively on my kids, or will even feel too personal. And then I realized that a lot of the most valuable information that I could read as a parent, I’ll never find cause a parent with high integrity is not going to write down very negative experiences they had with their kids and all the ways they failed to respond optimally. It reminds me a little of Duncan’s social dark matter concept.
Oh this is amazing. I can never keep the two apart cause of the horrible naming. I think I’m just going to ask people if they mean intuition or reason from now on.
Thank you for the clarification!
I think I agree this might be more a matter of semantics than underlying world model. Specifically:
Bill.learning = “process of connecting information not known, to information that is known”Shoshannah.learning = “model [...] consisting of 6 factors—Content, Knowledge Representation, Navigation, Debugging, Emotional Regulation, and Consolidation.” (note, I’m considering a 7th factor at the moment: which is transfer learning. This factor may actually bridge are two models.)
Bill.teaching = “applying a delivery of information for the learner with a specific goal in mind for what that learner should learn”Shoshannah.teaching = [undefined so far], but actually “Another human facilitating steps in the learning process of a given human”
---With those as our word-concept mappings, I’m mostly wondering what “learning” bottoms out to in your model? Like, how does one learn?
One way to conceptualize my model is as:
Data → encoding → mapping → solution search → attention regulation → training runsAnd the additional factor would be “transfer learning” or I guess fine-tuning (yourself) by noticing how what you learn applies to other areas as well.
And a teacher would facilitate this process by stepping in an providing content/support/debugging for each step that needs it.I’m not sure why you are conceptualizing the learning goal as being part of the teacher and not the learner? I think they both hold goals, and I think learning can happen goal-driven or ‘free’, which I think is analoguous with the “play” versus “game” distinction in ludology—and slightly less tightly analoguous to exploration versus exploitation behavior.
I’m curious if you agree with the above.
Hmmm, I think ‘healthy’ is saying too much. This is one particular way of being psychologically healthy, but in my model you can be psychologically healthy and suffer more than 5 minutes per week and experience inner conflict some of the time. I think this is implicitly making the target too narrow for people that care about getting there and might consider this a reference point.
Also, I’m curious if the depression comment also refers to adaptive depression, like when someone very close to you dies and you need to adapt? (I’m not making a case that prolonged grief is good but I would make the case that grieving for 6 months or so is not psychologically unhealthy).
All the other points seem fine to me ❤️
Thanks, Bill! I appreciate the reframe. I agree teaching and learning are two different activities. However, I think the end goal is that the user can learn whatever they need to learn, in whatever way they can learn it. As such, the learner activity is more central than the teaching activity—Having an ideal learning activity will result in the thing we care about (-> learning). Having the ideal teaching experience may still fall flat if the connection with the learner is somehow not made.
I’m curious what benefits you notice from applying the reframe to focusing on the teaching activity first. Possibly more levers to pull on as it’s the only side of the equation we can offer someone from the outside?
I never run longer than an hour, and it always lasts till the end of my run. It disappears near-instantly when I stop running. Even tying my shoelaces or whatever is really obstructive cause it takes me a minute or two to get back in to after.
I do have after-workout glow and have always had that. Like I feel good after a decent workout for a couple of hours no matter what I do. It’s not related to the runners high. But it means it’s not like my state goes back to baseline when the runners high fades.
How does that runner’s high feel?
Like taking good painkillers, being high energy but calm, having great focus, having a clear mind free of rumination or worry, empowering like nothing can stop me.
Because your method of getting there sounds like hell on earth. I’d want to know what the payoff is.
I mean, yeah. The method is gruelling. Fwiw, I do have anecdottal data that such “bootcamp” like workouts can more often push people through a plateau in their physical fitness. I’m guessing there are preconditions involved though.
Interesting! Thank you for sharing
Aw glad to hear it! That brought a smile to my face! :D
Lol, thanks! :D
Oh wow, I love this! Thank you for looking in to this and sharing!
It lines up with my intuitions and experience trying to learn Japanese. I found all of it as baffling as any new language I tried to learn except kanji. I noticed I found learning kanji far easier than learning any words in hiragana or katakana (both phonetic instead of pictorial), and also that I found learning kanji easier than most non-dyslectic English speakers I ran in to (I didn’t run in to many Dutch speakers)
I was low-key imagining you speaking German like Rammstein and then Japanese like Baby Metal.
My inner comedian not withstanding, that sounds awesome! _
oh huh … It hadn’t occurred to me to use it for memorization. I should try that, considering I think I have subpar memory for non-narrative/non-logical information like strings of numbers. Good point!
Conversely, I think I have above average memory for narrative and logically coherent information like how things work or events that happened in the past. It feels like that type of information has a ton of “hooks” such that I can use one of a dozen of them to recall the entire package, while a string of numbers has no hooks. It’s like someone is asking me to repeat white noise. But phone numbers and codes and what not are that. Let alone trying to keep track of numbers on something like a graphics card or processor (I gave up).
These are quizzes you make yourself. Did OKC ever have those? It’s not for a matching percentage.
A quiz in paiq is 6 questions, 3 multiple choice and 3 open. If someone gets the right answer on the multiple choice, then you get to see their open question answers as a match request, and you can accept or reject the match based in that. I think it’s really great.
You can also browse other people’s tests and see if you want to take any. The tests seem more descriptive of someone than most written profiles I’ve read cause it’s much harder to misrepresent personal traits in a quiz then in a self-declared profile
This made me unreasonably happy. Thank you :D