But Jacob had not touched a child. He had contacted whom he thought was a 10-year-old girl in a chat room and made plans to meet up with her. When he arrived, he discovered he had been corresponding with an undercover police officer, and was arrested for luring a minor.
The title of the article contradicts the content. Therefore, this is crap journalism.
The task itself is annoying because everything takes too long. Because it’s a game, you have to walk over to storage and you have to walk over to auction and basically when you see something for cheap in the auction, answering the question “how much of that do I have already” takes 30 seconds. Then to get back to the auction and the listing you were looking at takes probably another 15 seconds. This makes the whole process feel like bleh because, well, it’s...
It’s like using a slow and unresponsive website.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtbYPITWiMg
Here’s a link to a youtube video which explains how to use the auction—I don’t know of its quality, but point of interest is the gold/black list of stuff and the blue grid on the right. The gold/black list is the auction interface, the blue grid is your inventory. There’s another box somewhere else in that room he’s standing in, that’s your storage. It contains another blue-grid style inventory.
The sizes of items in the grid layout can change with updates (sometimes intended, sometimes unintended). The icons for items in the grid can change with updates (most of them unintended and thus undocumented). And lastly, I’m not sure bots are allowed. I know external information tools are allowed, like things that read game chat and filter it for you or read the game’s message log to display a map of waypoints, but I don’t think the actual input is allowed to be done by botting.
Because automating the clicking is pretty hard and subject to needing maintenance every time the game updates (which is about every 2 months or so)… and automating the “what do I need” part is easy and can probably be done in 2-3 hours.
Yes, I could convert it into a daily 5 minute task, or a weekly 30 minute task. This leads to some overhead, though. Most of the work is identifying how much I need of what—making 2 stacks instead of 8 just means I have to click a bit less.
… So I had an idea just now, there’s the ability to get a html table of all my items—I could probably parse this with some tool, which could help me with doing the work. I’d still have to do all the clicking, but some of the stock taking could be automated like that, and this could help me with structuring and organizing the task as such that it’s less uncertain.
I have this but different!
It’s not dirty—it’s static electricity for me. Worked at a place that had carpet, and I had to work with poorly grounded cameras. Got zapped EVERY SINGLE DARN TIME.
Now I tend to pull my sleeve over my hand before touching something.
… You could try wearing gloves (there’s fingerless gloves, if you get some thin ones, they can be for comfy winter use).
You could try chaining various events—e.g. “when do your hands need to be clean?” and then everything that is “eh” dirty is okay to handle for that time. So, grab the pen, do the journaling, make some tea, do this, do that, etc etc etc, then wash your hands, then start making dinner.
You don’t actually need clean hands until you start preparing food, so to say.
I am NOT going to drug myself into forming a habit. This is a ~25 euro/hour, 1 hour per week side hobby, which I could miss without any problems. … Maybe that’s the wrong counterargument but I feel it’s too dangerous for the rewards involved. (I wouldn’t try smoking if you gave me money because I hear from people that it’s hard to quit.)
The public commitment thing is something I use myself from time to time, and I can make use of it—I will make use of it a bit more (I even used this post as a sort of public commitment) but the whole idea of a “real money game” is already pretty weird to my co-workers (They’re more comfortable with the explanation “It’s a casino styled like an mmo and I make money via arbitrage over the chips”) so it’s kind of hard to weave into the conversation. But I can talk about it with family or someone—not like I have to discuss it in detail with them, more like a casual mention. Worth trying, at least.
I think I could try this. I had thought of this solution myself, but … I don’t know why I dismissed it. Maybe because I hadn’t done the proper thinking in regards to how much time there is being having to restock, so there was no period to schedule it for (so the objection was “It’s unschedulable” which is no longer true).
I have tried this. I find that neither task (the watching of the series AND the work) gets done properly. I miss half the jokes or only get them half and end up half-smiling rather than laughing… and I’m constantly busy with switching contexts. Listening to music on the other hand works fine, which is what I’m doing now. The music turns the boring task into something okay-ish (I’d rather be doing a full-time fun activity like playing some game, though once I started I don’t mind because I’m enjoying the music).
How do you prevent or stop the creation of an “ugh field”?
Context
There’s a game I play which uses real money—Entropia Universe. In this game, I am a trader—though most of my activity is reselling resources (stackable items). I buy large stacks of various resources, and then split these up into smaller stacks which are more affordable for the regular buyer. I then list these smaller stacks on the in-game auction.
There is an app for this game. Using this app, I can see which stacks have sold and how much I have left of each item. The app also also me to place bids on auction items (such as large stacks with which I resupply my stock), and the app allows me to list stacks on auction.
The only thing I can’t do in the app is split a larger stack into smaller stacks. Thus, I have to login to the game on my PC, go to my inventory, and perform the menial task of looking at what items I have and which items I need to split up. I have to do this about once every 20 days, give or take 5. I could put some effort into increasing my stockpile, increasing the time that goes between moments at which I have to login, but this is hard, since if there is a shortage, I can’t stockpile all resources equally high and I have to make a tradeoff between restocking as soon I’m out of 1 resource or restocking once I’m out of multiple resources (decreasing my earnings in between due to selling less). So 20 days plusminus 5 is about the best I can do there.
I find that logging into the app is a bit of a bother, since it is boring work, but it pays reasonably well (5 minutes a day of time which I can plop down in any segment—such as during lunch break or when waiting for something). And if I don’t do it, well, I can do it the next day.
But logging into the game on my PC is turning into a hassle for me. I keep postponing it, since there is no actual need to login and split stacks until I am running out of stacks to sell of a certain resource. When I do login, there is naturally lots of work to do—it can take up to 45 minutes to do all the things I have to do (take stock of inventory, make a list of stuff I need to buy, announce buy offer in trade chat, split stacks off the stuff I already have, make trades with the people who are willing to sell me the stuff I need, buy stacks off auction if nobody is willing to sell to me, make stacks out of the stuff people sold me, check if I did everything properly—then, log out of the game on the PC, login on the mobile app, and clear the notification list there so I don’t double list something).
And I’m starting to notice that I find the IDEA of having to do this work more annoying than the actual work itself. The actual work itself is quite simple, there’s no heavy lifting involved, just some clicking. I put on some music during that work, and it’s quite pleasant. But the idea of “ugh, I have to remember to login tonight because I’m almost running out of X” frustrates me. It also doesn’t help that I sometimes forget and have to make the choice to do it now (where now means stop watching the series you’re watching right now, log in, do the work, log out, go to bed because it’s bedtime) or postpone it until tomorrow.
TL;DR
I spend 5 minutes a day making money via a phone app. After about 2 to 4 weeks, I have to do a task which takes 45 minutes on my PC at home to enable the ability to make money via the phone app. The phone app task feels easy, but the idea of having to do the 45-minute task at home is a burden. The actual work in the 45 minute task is pretty light.
Question
How do I prevent a task which I have to do on a irregular basis in my leisure time from becoming an ugh field?
I’d like to keep doing the actual tasks—I earn about 2 to 3 euro in those 5 minutes a day. The 45 minute task itself doesn’t earn me anything directly, but good performance (such as paying attention to the trade chat and spotting a deal) does improve how much I can get with the 5 minute daily work on my phone. Suggesting I drop the whole thing together IS an idea, but I feel I’m making an adequate trade of time for money with these tasks.
I also can’t automate the task, mostly because modding the game is not allowed and because there’s quite a bit of thinking involved which makes the whole thing non-trivial. Plus the game has to communicate with the servers before it will let you make another change (such as creating a new stack of x units and reducing another stack by x units), so even if the clicking was automated I’d still have to sit there.
Namely? Bayes? (TBH I wouldn’t expect bayes because that’d be wrong, I think—you can have “dumb” intelligence based on reinforcement learning)
The link doesn’t seem to work. It just links to this page.
Even though I have less than a 100 karma I still think this is a good idea.
I don’t know if it is being counted as vegan, now that you ask. But in the link I saw it being given as a counterargument, and the reply was “it’s too expensive right now” instead of “you’re right but that’s not being vegan”.
To me, though, veganism is about “not eating meat”. (I am not a vegan though) That’s what the whole movement seems to be about. But then again I didn’t check in a dictionary, so maybe it means something different. Google gives me “a person who does not eat or use animal products.” for “Vegan”, which I guess means that vatgrown meat is vegan because it didn’t include animals (large animals) in the process.
… What doesn’t help is that the word seems, well—“vegetarian” → something to do with vegetation → eater of PLANTS—like a word that means “does not eat meat”. Not “does not eat animals”. I suppose someone with more time on their hands might tell you that vegetation means “that which does not move” or something like that, and thus vegetation doesn’t mean plants but “non-movables” e.g. “not animals”.
So I don’t know. Depends on your definition of “vegan”.
I feel like growing meat is a better solution because you can get rid of most of the problems with regards to inefficiencies, without losing things like eating meat (which is tasty).
I agree that I am making a lot of assumptions about what other people think, but I am basing these off the voting that the community seems to apply to Gleb’s posts, and the comments that he seems to receive.
Gleb has been getting responses like this from the very beginning; thousands upon thousands of words have been spilled on the subject. What makes you think your latest 600 are going to change his mind?
Because it’s new to me …? … hmmm no, not “new”...
Because it’s recent. Gleb has been posting more crap than usual lately (or the rest of the content has gotten less … the content to “Gleb crap” ratio has been going down), and I wanted to counter that.
As for effectiveness, I’ll admit I didn’t try to be very persuasive (in that I didn’t think about “what would make him think that he’s doing something wrong”). I seem to have gone for a deconstructive approach—perhaps trying to understand why he does as he does because perhaps I’m missing something.
… and I kinda hope to start a discourse with him.
Though it was more out of emotions than logical thought.
Summarized
Because I think it has become more relevant recently
Because I felt I could try to understand the situation better by writing such a comment
Because I hope to start a dialogue in order to convince Gleb
Good for you that you’re doing this.
But… as has been said before… not everyone (and I mean “only 0-15%”) seems to like (or even care!) about your posts.
I don’t mean to say that you should stop posting here all together (for that we have bans, if need be), but… maybe you should stop posting about InIn here? We’re not your target audience. Some people here (I myself included) disagree with your methods (like those endorsements by other organizations that turn out to be fake).
If you observe your recent interactions with LessWrong, would you say they are positive interactions? Maybe so, I don’t know how you view yourself. But all I’m seeing is disinterested folk. People who do not care about you. My view is perhaps distorted, but what doesn’t help are the shills—people who post on your posts with generic but praise giving commentary, which you accept with thanks. But then it turns out they’re part of your organization, or that you pay them. And not in a “this guy lives in my street, I paid him to paint my windowframes”—more of a “I pay this guy to promote my ideas”. That sort of thing adds a generic excuse for any positive reactions you may get—“That person might only be saying that because they’re a shill”.
Keeping this reputation in mind, you think that it is a good idea to go ahead and ask for money from those disinterested folk? Why?
Here’s my take on the idea. This is probably wrong because I am not you, but I’m going to say it anyway in the hope some parts of it match and you realize that if different people come to a different viewpoint with the same information then someone is either missing evidence or has made a mistake.
You’re partially stuck in a bubble that is your own organization. You saw the elections and the media surrounding it and experienced a disconnect. You feel your goal is to help society in general, and you think that building a platform and spreading the word will help. After some reflection you’ve come to realize that this whole platform idea doesn’t work, and that if you’ll want to convince others, you’ll probably have to go and convince them in person. But… that’s going to take a lot of time, and thus you’ll need money. So you’ll make a single post outlining your thoughts and just link everywhere where it’s a relevant thing.
There is nothing wrong with this plan of action at first sight. Take the last part—“make a single post, then link it everywhere in the hope of support”. Great idea! Except if you do this repeatedly, without giving something back, whilst taking actions that cost reputation… you start to elicit responses like this. Responses that say “please stop”.
Please stop asking for support here.
Please stop posting about InIn here.
You’re probably a somewhat clever fellow, so you can probably contribute to a discussion just fine. So I don’t think it would help if people were to block you (if that’s even possible? … It’s probably possible, with a userscript if need be). But the posting of crap should stop.
Post some interesting articles. That voting thing was interesting, perhaps the calculations were off (?) but it sparked an interesting discussion. “I was on a radio show”/”I was on tv”/”InIn has …” is not interesting.
This is not a kind post, but I believe it to be true and necessary. I don’t know whether I crossed any social boundaries, but this is how I feel.
There won’t be any duality between rationality and whatever emotional value you have now. It’s just going to be rationality and it’s going to feel great. Every moment of the day, the most logical action. Each ‘snapshot’. No need to discipline your actions.
This sounds like taking drugs and turning into a logically optimal robot.
… That sounds like a worse life than what I have now.
I think we should stop this thread. I’m not connecting with this idea of yours and I can’t think of anything you could say to convince me otherwise (hmmh TODO rethink that)… so when you try to convince me you’re just tripping flags instead.
For instance.
The curiosity from seeing other human-intelligence races is because I like imagining “what-if”—in media such as writing and animation series I’m enthralled by worldbuilding. Combined, they create some interesting questions that serve as a mirror for our current society.
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At some point, you can recognize how you were conditioned to believe those things. You might even think that this curiosity or belief is superior to others. In contrary to some random person in some town in Texas for example. It also becomes socially validated as it’s probably popular in the intersubjective reality of Lesswrong and other communities like Reddit.
And you have a better set of beliefs? I actually enjoy such worldbuilding exercises. I enjoy seeing other worlds like that. There have been series that seemed boring at first, but then started to contain more worldbuilding and organizing—and I enjoy those from the comfort of my room. I don’t have a list somewhere that I show off to get validation. I don’t tell others that I’m reading such and such book—mostly because I think it wouldn’t interest them. I read them for my own enjoyment. I did this before coming to reddit and before coming to LessWrong. I think you’re wrong about this point.
Well. You have to figure out why you have this need for validation, as it was something which was conditioned to you through your experiences in life.
It’s on Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. Everyone needs some amount of validation. And I don’t need a whole lot of validation.
I’ve been diagnosed with Aspergers and ADHD—I don’t want to use them as a shield in these discussions, because that doesn’t help anyone—but perhaps it allows me to explain that I don’t seem to have a need for validation all that much. I don’t care as much what other people think of my clothing. I do refuse to wear things with stupid texts on them, but that’s because I’m not a billboard. I don’t care about the things society seems to be interested in like celebrities or fashion or cars or whatever kind of crap—it tends to not be socially acceptable to just sit in your room and play games all day, but I do it anyway because that’s what I think is fun. Going outside is boring and cold.
What I’m having issues with is not a lack of validation by others, but a lack of validation by myself. I see myself playing a ton of games and reading a lot and watching a lot and then I think to myself “is that what I’d want to do the rest of my life” and I think “no, because I want to contribute something myself too”.
And this manifests itself as doing things like making a mod for a game, or helping to fix a bug in an open source game, or creating a tool for others to support their gameplay or creation of their mods… I like doing that. And yes, you get some kind of validation from that.
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I write this because I’m angry and disappointed (although those feelings aren’t all that appropriate for the situation). I don’t think it’s worth it to live a life where you take the most logical action all the time (and that’s probably because I’m using a different word for logic than you are). Maybe that inner child you’re talking about is having a temper tantrum. Even if that’s true, it seems to be pretty pissed off at the moment and doesn’t want to do all the things you said.
I don’t think living a life of just consumerism is all that great either. So I’m gonna keep looking for another path that doesn’t disturb my inner child, but doesn’t seem all that boring either. I have multiple aspects, and I gotta work with all of them. Forcing them to act differently takes a lot of energy, is not a pleasant experience, and can end up with unwanted results.
His name is Spock.
Yes, and I can probably include that in the automation. I already have a list of my own records, but updating it is a pain and as a result I tend to just head over to storage. Reducing the workload to keep the list updated should resolve some of those troubles as well.