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If only a small minority of people are consequentialists by default, then coldly calculated actions that have good consequences would more likely be a sign of callous character than a finely tuned moral compass, which in turn could lead to bad consequences in other situations. People might not be as irrational judging these example situations as it seems.
You could try doing something that gives immediate feedback for sloppiness, like simple math problems for example. You might gain some generalizable insight like that speed affects sloppiness. Since you already practice meditation, it should be easier to become aware of the specific failure modes that contribute to sloppiness, which doesn’t seem to be a well defined thing in itself.
I think for most people who ask this question, the range of fitting jobs is much wider than they think. You learn to like what you become good at.
If I were to pick a career right now, I’d just take a long list of reasonably complex jobs and remove any that contain an obvious obstacle like a skill requirement I’m unlikely to improve at. Then from what is left, I’d narrow the choice by some other criteria than perceived fit, income and future employment prospects for example and then pick one of them either by some additional criteria or randomly. I’m confident I’d learn to like almost any job chosen this way.
If you make money you can do whatever you like in the future even if you chose your job poorly in the first place. So please don’t choose to become an English major.
I think this feeling arises from social norms feeling unnatural to you. This feeling should be expected if your interests are relevant to this site, since people are not trying to be rational by default.
The difference between a pathetic misfit and and an admirable eccentric is their level of awesomeness. If you become good enough at anything relevant to other people, you don’t have to live through their social expectations. Conform to the norms or rise above them.
Note that I think most social norms are nice to have, but this doesn’t mean there aren’t enough of the kind that make me feel alienated. It could be that the feeling of alienation is a necessary side effect of some beneficial cognitive change, in which case I’d try to cherish the feeling. I’ve found that rising to a leadership position diminishes the feeling significantly, however.
Glad to hear I could be of help.
There’s no reason why you shouldn’t apply this to your other exercises too if you want to progress faster and less painfully. You might want to experiment with the number of sets to see what works best for you or vary the figure simply to make things a bit less monotonic. It’s still nice to have “challenge days” every once in a while to see how awesomely many repetitions you can do at once.
Wow. That’s some heroic effort you’re going through.
Can’t you use that treadmill time to read, watch or listen to something? Or meditate, you referred to buddhism in our other discussion.
If you haven’t done so already, you could automate things further via a smartphone or a computer. There’s software for almost any purpose. For example, my smartphone does my exercise plans for me and keeps track of progress and adjusts the plans accordingly, reminds me when to exercise and when to eat, reminds me to weigh myself in the morning and draws a prediction graph of my weight based on the last 7 day measurements and calculates how many extra calories have gone in or out based on the progress.
I get the high only from strenuous exercise that lasts about an hour or more, like soccer for example. Half hour runs or weight lifting do not have such an effect, and I don’t find the reward worth the pain in those activities which means I do them in a more reasonable pace.
This suggests you might have to reach a certain level of fitness to be able to strain yourself enough to get the high and this level varies between activities and people. There are activities like swimming that don’t give me the high at all no matter how hard I try, but oddly enough swimming is my favorite form of exercise.
Have you you tried doing shorter sets like 5x10 push ups with a minute of rest in between for example? You’ll get much more push ups done this way, will progress faster and experience less burn. Try adding 1-2 push ups to those five sets every time you do push ups. If you reach failure point at any time, you’re doing too many of them. Doing them every day might get counterproductive at some point, your muscles need rest to grow stronger. If you’re already in pain when you’re starting, you haven’t recovered from the previous exercise.
If it hurts consider that you might be doing something wrong. If it’s just the burning sensation, although this sensation is usually followed by a rewarding endorphin rush, consider that you might not have to strain yourself that much to get the most important benefits from the exercise. I exercise regularly, make progress, and it almost never hurts. If you do bodyweight exercises for example, you don’t have to exercise to the point of failure to make progress, in fact that might even slow your recovery.
To motivate yourself further, imagine yourself as the granpa of steel you’re going to become if you do the right thing.
I meant only that I am alive, and I see no reason that death is preferable at this point.
This could easily describe my preferences as well. Perhaps we just have different thresholds for logging out.
But the suffering caused by aging and disease is separate from any definition of death.
I fully agree with this distinction, but it doesn’t matter much to my preferences. I think permanent cessation of consciousness is bad. Some things in life are worse though, and could override this preference. Outcomes that we value don’t have to be directly experienced, and death is no exception. For example I don’t have to experience pain to want to avoid it. In addition living is instrumental to most of my goals.
It has some novelty, but I see no need to prolong it indefinitely.
I’m not bored yet. I can’t imagine how I could be. I wouldn’t choose immortality without the option of death however for various reasons. My ability to make long term plans will increase with technology. I might have million year plans, but can’t imagine what they could be. Imagination is a very limited tool.
I’m not sure I understand what your point is.
You seemed to think we exist for our genes. This is simply wrong. Evolution explains how we came to be, not what for. Cryopreserving some of your cells in a jar or backing up your sequenced genome in the cloud might maximize your genetic fitness but would feel strangely unsatisfying, don’t you think?
People usually ask questions to clarify some confusion. I don’t know what yours is, but thought the article might be helpful since it elucidates this subject. Have you read it?
Organisms obviously don’t directly optimize their genetic fitness. Deep Blue obviously doesn’t directly optimize winning chess. If you want to economically predict their actions however, finding something they seem to optimize works as a rough model. This is easy if you know the process that made them. It’s the nature of a rough model you can poke holes to it by finding exceptions, but this doesn’t make the model useless.
Tim might be making a stronger claim than this. If that’s the case I probably don’t agree with it.
Doesn’t this apply to any system where power is tilted and the high status members have ideologies? Should we call them all religions?
I’m alive. It is my default state.
Stop eating. Let’s see how default it is.
They have zero to do with one another and should not be combined in this discussion.
If that’s how you want to have your definitions, I can live with that.
Please give me an example of a long term goal that would require 10 Billion years? How about 1 Billion? 1 Million?
No need for that. Just always have plans for tomorrow.
It does affect me quite a bit to know why my instincts and drives exist. Maybe it does nothing for you. Okay. That is interesting.
Why/how they exist and what for are different things. Conflating the two leads just to confusion in this case, because the what for doesn’t exist.
I find the dogmatic-ish acceptance of certain ideas around here reminds me of religion
Did you actually look at the statistics? Whatever dogma you’re seeing isn’t there. It’s more likely you’re thinking some people you’ve had discussions with here are more representative of LW than they actually are.
Does it matter really? From my perspective Tim proposes an economical tool for thinking about a system’s goals, but probably won’t lead to much insight and will cause bias compared to more labor intensive methods.
I think this post could clear most of your confusion about the connection between your genes and your goals.
Are you sure you didn’t think you were replying to someone else? You made a lot of false assumptions about my mindstate.
I’d suggest death is a harmless alternative
So what has made you decide to live so far?
Also, I notice you are conflating non-healthyness and mortality
I combined two situations because I thought that would be more acceptable to you. That doesn’t mean I’m conflating them. I do think there are good deaths and bad immortalities.
Most arguments for which exact lifespan is better would seem arbitrary to me.
If I couldn’t think of any interesting long term goals, I would have to agree. If that’s not how you mean it, then I don’t understand what you mean by arbitrary.
Though it is also your intuition, and intuition generally, that opposes (and fears?) death so intensely
It’s a value, and yes it’s programmed by the blind idiot god called evolution, but my core values don’t go away if I just think about them hard enough and why should they?
This death-avoidance intuition exists so that we will be best equipped as vehicles for the replicators we carry. That is all is was designed for
Why exactly does it matter why the value is there? It wasn’t designed for anything or by anything. It just is, and the genes were just selected for and thus they are. Genes have goals no more than they can plan and even if they did I have no reason to privilege them. Evolution is an unplanned process not optimizing anything in particular, how could it possibly glitch and why should I care?
“stay alive at any cost” thinking
Not my thinking.
Can you imagine any scenario, say, a billion years into your life, when you might opt for permanently switching off your consciousness
Any situation where my future could be expected to be net negative. Of course I can’t imagine such a scenario specificly, as I can’t reliably imagine what life is like even 20 years from now, so the extra years add nothing to the scenario. I can think of several situations that would make me end my life right now or a few years from now.
What about religious people who take vows of celibacy?
Consider that many of them probably fail and some of them probably take the vow after having children. Those who don’t are so rare you might want to consider them defective from the perspective of propagation of genes. People have genetically inherited diseases too.
I think people care more about self-preservation than reproduction
It’s reasonable to assume that the value of self-preservation declines with age and the number of children. Self-preservation in most instances seems to be instrumental to reproduction.
Not much more likely either it seems. Doctors are a very diverse population, probably not many generalizations you can make about rationalism on that front.