This machine resists Moloch
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“pain and pain receptor spread across and through animal bodies basically is like a currency for the evolutionary perspective… so species can pay for survival with more pain(receptors)”
I found this interesting to mull on, an interesting property of pleasure and pain is acting as a universal measure of value, making trade-offs easier
I love “divine carrot” as a term! I think a lot about what it would mean to totally replace stick as motivation, like societies getting off of “burning coal indoors for warmth” maybe humans can “get off burning suffering for motivation”
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Ha, maybe! Seems like while we’re here though we might as well be working out way down the list of “ideas that might change everything”. People report trying a lot of things and then hitting on something that works (like https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/fFY2HeC9i2Tx8FEnK/my-resentful-story-of-becoming-a-medical-miracle)
Ha, thank you! It slipped my mind, I’ve just added it :)
Mnestics
Thank you for writing this, I found it really valuable!
Space
Apollo
Noted, thank you for the feedback
Looping
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Amazing work, this is really important meta problem
From memory the first part was something Richard Bartlett tweeted, the second was my addendum 😄.
Glad you liked them 😊
I’m tipsy and on a train, so I shall help you
sit down at a computer
open a blank documentcall to mind your beloved
bring into your heart the way they make you feeland then just type a stream of conciousness
tell the bouncer of your mind to take a break
and just type words, they don’t have to make any sense at all
and just keep goingif you follow that vein down, you’ll strike on high-minded sentiments worth sharing at a wedding
Expertps from things I’ve squiriled away under “marriage and relationships” that might be relevant to others
“loving someone is creating a context for their growth, fostering a deep well of reciprocal good will”
“Relationship advice from my wise nonna. Deeply in love with husband for 60 years. After he came back from the war he was suffering from PTSD, he needed a lot of support. But she knew that they still had shared values and dreams, and she clung on to that, and nursed him back to health. This shows we can connect with people at a deeper level, not just the surface behaviour.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/PySEyxTKh5hzDeK9y/my-marriage-vows
“I swear
Whatever aid you ask of me, I shall render it
Whoever you ask me to be, I shall endeavour to become”“this seems very new to you
but seeing someone you like and building a life with them is as old as the seasons changing
humans arn’t as good at it as we used to be, because we need each other less
but this hides the fact that we still desperately need other people, people who will be close with us
your branches have intertwined, and if you’re brave and determined they will grow
you will grow so tall, and so vast, and the branches of your love will hold so much
they will hold your long lives, they will hold the lives of your children the lives of your friends”
Links I’ve been collecting for when I get around to trying to ansewr this question for myself:
* “MDMA Solo” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25974701* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19997984
* https://sashachapin.substack.com/p/how-i-attained-persistent-self-love
* https://twitter.com/m_ashcroft/status/1486398240643760133
* https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ZbgCx2ntD5eu8Cno9/how-to-be-happy
* https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/well-being
* that alicorn luminosity sequence
* https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/j3QDAqSQFi4BpHxQK/a-guide-for-productivity-2
* https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/iYR9hKzTKGhZwTPWK/meaningful-rest
* https://alexvermeer.com/life-hacking/
https://qualiacomputing.com/2021/04/04/* buddhist-annealing-wireheading-done-right-with-the-seven-factors-of-awakening/
* https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/i2Q3DTsQq9THhFEgR/introducing-effective-self-help
I’ve been thinking about this notion a great deal thanks so much for posting! I also have an intuition towards that which is good being non-arbitrary, akin to pi or gravity.
This gives me hope on how AGI might play out, but I’m aware we can’t be certain this is the case until we have a proven theory of value a la the symetry theory of valence, and maybe even then we couldn’t be sure any sufficiently capable mind would be exposed to the same dynamics humans are.
re the first question I assumed it was asking “what are you symathetic to” rather than “what is”, more than any particular view I’m dubious of anyone who’s feels 100% confident in their view on the nature of conciousness
Your description is beautiful in the sense that you use the word :) thank you for sharing