I love this post! If you’ve ever noticed that short workshops conducted by an expert seems to teach you a lot more and faster than spending weeks on something despite videos and docs, I think you ought to agree with toonalfrink’s thesis.
I especially like the very crisply stated problem of asymmetrically engineering the subsymoblic flow towards “better” equilibria. I’ll have fun thinking about that for a while.
(In fact, I’d say the first two ‘areas of inquiry’ you mention are really just natural subproblems of the third—bandwidth throttling is probably what we’ll attempt to bind to “knowledge intelligence” once we know how to quantify and price it.)
A developed theory might also be applied negatively (as in, mainly throttling) to less domain-specific things like containing toxicity and misery, when you have less choice in the company you keep! I have personally tried to model this problem as mutiplayer-meditation: where distracting terrible thoughts can arise also from minds outside your own and you can, with focused practice, decide their influence on you. I think your model captures this more generally, and makes it more of a systematic communal effort.
When you talk about “verbal communication” though, it’s not clear whether you’re referring only to their attempts at talking about how they got so smart (or rich etc) or if you’re also including specific object-level problems that they solve out loud (in a blogpost where they just apply their smarts, say), which could be said to allow for a sort of one-way, low-bandwidth osmosis.
Of course, the problem with a blogpost versus seeing them in-person (or even in-video, or some other neutral feed) is that they are themselves doing the filtering of what’s notable—and as we all know around here, people usually have a poor idea of what is and isn’t obvious to others. But this might have more to do with memorability than underspecification. I’ve noticed I often forget certain pieces of advice, but as a human, I tend to have good retention of the mannerisms of people. Another possible cause is the ability to ask questions without trivial inconveniences (like having to wait a long time for an answer, or gesturing at pictures). Yet another one is seeing a live demonstration of things actually working, so you’re more likely to try it consistently rather than throwing away the whole thing when it doesn’t work the first couple of times.
(Notice that memorability vs underspecification vs interactivity vs demo aren’t distinguished when comparing workshops and self-study. Can we think of other factors?)
Anyway, I think we could start measuring this with increasingly-less-than-in-person media to start singling out what the factors really are, so we can continue to avoid meeting real people :P
I love this post! If you’ve ever noticed that short workshops conducted by an expert seems to teach you a lot more and faster than spending weeks on something despite videos and docs, I think you ought to agree with toonalfrink’s thesis.
I especially like the very crisply stated problem of asymmetrically engineering the subsymoblic flow towards “better” equilibria. I’ll have fun thinking about that for a while.
(In fact, I’d say the first two ‘areas of inquiry’ you mention are really just natural subproblems of the third—bandwidth throttling is probably what we’ll attempt to bind to “knowledge intelligence” once we know how to quantify and price it.)
A developed theory might also be applied negatively (as in, mainly throttling) to less domain-specific things like containing toxicity and misery, when you have less choice in the company you keep! I have personally tried to model this problem as mutiplayer-meditation: where distracting terrible thoughts can arise also from minds outside your own and you can, with focused practice, decide their influence on you. I think your model captures this more generally, and makes it more of a systematic communal effort.
When you talk about “verbal communication” though, it’s not clear whether you’re referring only to their attempts at talking about how they got so smart (or rich etc) or if you’re also including specific object-level problems that they solve out loud (in a blogpost where they just apply their smarts, say), which could be said to allow for a sort of one-way, low-bandwidth osmosis.
Of course, the problem with a blogpost versus seeing them in-person (or even in-video, or some other neutral feed) is that they are themselves doing the filtering of what’s notable—and as we all know around here, people usually have a poor idea of what is and isn’t obvious to others. But this might have more to do with memorability than underspecification. I’ve noticed I often forget certain pieces of advice, but as a human, I tend to have good retention of the mannerisms of people. Another possible cause is the ability to ask questions without trivial inconveniences (like having to wait a long time for an answer, or gesturing at pictures). Yet another one is seeing a live demonstration of things actually working, so you’re more likely to try it consistently rather than throwing away the whole thing when it doesn’t work the first couple of times.
(Notice that memorability vs underspecification vs interactivity vs demo aren’t distinguished when comparing workshops and self-study. Can we think of other factors?)
Anyway, I think we could start measuring this with increasingly-less-than-in-person media to start singling out what the factors really are, so we can continue to avoid meeting real people :P