I think it’s quite problematic to see responsibility not about upholding promises that one makes and responsibility being about social roles one has.
If I throw a party, then I have a special responsibility that the room is warm enough as the host that my guests don’t have even when everyone can turn the thermostat.
Soryu is actually talking about responsibility in the video. He claims that a guru-lead organization is ethically superior to a joint-stock corporation because that while in a joint-stock corporation nobody is really responsible for what the organization does in a guru-lead organization responsibility is clear.
By his own standards, he’s more responsible for what happens here than the CEO of a major corporation is when something problematic happens in that organization.
Responsibility is about neither it’s about counterfactual causality. Accountability on the other hand is about promises and maybe that’s what we’re talking about here?
If I look at the dictionary, one of the meanings of responsibility is:
a duty to deal with or take care of somebody/something, so that you may be blamed if something goes wrong
In the video there the claim that in contrast to a CEO who’s power is limited and thus does not have a duty to solve all ethical misdeeds of his organization a guru has more power and more duty to deal with significant ethical problems in his organization and is supposed to be blamed if things go wrong.
Yeah, I think that a leader who has more power should probably be assigned more blame (as stated above), but not sole blame, unless there’s some sort of bizarre structure where they have absolute power.
You are right, others also need to be accountable for their actions and participation. I do think, that there is a dynamic at the MA in which Soryu has a lot of power over people in the space in ways that are unique to this kind of group that needs to be accounted for and that Soryu and the board need to be accountable for maintaining a program design that is known to cause serious harm. I suspect that if everyone involved in causing harm or in acting unethically to cover harm up in this organization were held accountable there wouldn’t be any or there would be very few core leaders left. Nearly everyone has been complicit, and there is a lot of deep learning and healing needed between many community members.
I think it’s quite problematic to see responsibility not about upholding promises that one makes and responsibility being about social roles one has.
If I throw a party, then I have a special responsibility that the room is warm enough as the host that my guests don’t have even when everyone can turn the thermostat.
Soryu is actually talking about responsibility in the video. He claims that a guru-lead organization is ethically superior to a joint-stock corporation because that while in a joint-stock corporation nobody is really responsible for what the organization does in a guru-lead organization responsibility is clear.
By his own standards, he’s more responsible for what happens here than the CEO of a major corporation is when something problematic happens in that organization.
Responsibility is about neither it’s about counterfactual causality. Accountability on the other hand is about promises and maybe that’s what we’re talking about here?
If I look at the dictionary, one of the meanings of responsibility is:
In the video there the claim that in contrast to a CEO who’s power is limited and thus does not have a duty to solve all ethical misdeeds of his organization a guru has more power and more duty to deal with significant ethical problems in his organization and is supposed to be blamed if things go wrong.
Yeah, I think that a leader who has more power should probably be assigned more blame (as stated above), but not sole blame, unless there’s some sort of bizarre structure where they have absolute power.
You are right, others also need to be accountable for their actions and participation. I do think, that there is a dynamic at the MA in which Soryu has a lot of power over people in the space in ways that are unique to this kind of group that needs to be accounted for and that Soryu and the board need to be accountable for maintaining a program design that is known to cause serious harm. I suspect that if everyone involved in causing harm or in acting unethically to cover harm up in this organization were held accountable there wouldn’t be any or there would be very few core leaders left. Nearly everyone has been complicit, and there is a lot of deep learning and healing needed between many community members.