Whether you want to use the binary enlightened/unenlightened distinction is up to you. I’m not a fan of binary classifications.
I like to use enlightened/unenlightened, because if you are enlightened you know. But you also might be tricking yourself that you are enlightened, thus cannot become something which you think you are. I think I have had a glimpse and some of it transitioned over. But then there is the ego, the monkey mind. Very close but still far away.
I’m just saying that you are making assumptions about me that are not true. You likely don’t have preexisting categories for the state in which I happen to be when it comes to my relationship with the self.
That’s true, it’s only assumptions. I assume you have ego because I have it, because I think a lot have it and here as well. It seems to be such a norm. But I don’t know how to spot it outside of my own assumptions from experience. Maybe some MRI scans have seen this ‘self’-hallucination.
In a discussion, isn’t it possible when someone is making an assumption about you, that you reply it is not true? Is it the case you do not have an ego?
Basically you are inspired by an idea and try to preach it to people who think differently and categorize other people on a path where they are less evolved than you are.
I might be dogmatic in thinking I am more aware of certain things, but that’s just the order of whatever. It’s a paradigm of the ego definitely, transcending it would be interesting.
It can also be the case it doesn’t seem like many can even phantom to understand what I am communicating, or even are able to see everything from their perspective.
In a Buddhist view, that would likely be seen as strong attachment to ego. From the way you are writting it appears like you don’t have self awareness of that fact.
You have to see it from the perspective of ego, an ego lies. By spotting which text is from the ego and thus removing it, I have tricked myself in the process and strengthened my ego. There isn’t a bad part of “I” “you” or anyone else, which is the ego, the whole thing is it. But I do become more aware of my unawareness, and tricking myself in the process. This is hard.
The people I know who had samadi experiences are not like that but are generally more self aware of drives like that. They also generally aren’t attached to binary classfication as much. It also seems that you don’t have awareness of how that issue affects you.
We go to those that are enlightened, they do not come to us. Nothing matters, everything is nothing. Binary classifications is such a non-issue. :)
implementing the concepts through work. And maybe through spreeding the gospel. That’s however not how it works.
I know.
It’s a typical approach for New Agey people and those often don’t get very deep because they treat some knowledge as dogma with prevents letting go of concepts.
That seems like a strawman.
That said, I’m not seeking the end that the Buddhist seek. I’m also not saying that anybody should.
Everything I have said is secular, but I think that you see the world through your own eyes.
Maybe it was because of the word “enlightened/unenlightened/enlightenment”?
That’s true, it’s only assumptions. I assume you have ego because I have it, because I think a lot have it and here as well. It seems to be such a norm.
The problem was that the issue we were talking wasn’t whether I have ego but whether I have a single concept of “I” or self identity. I actually don’t have an attachment to a single concept of self identity but I consciously use different one’s at different times.
We go to those that are enlightened, they do not come to us.
That seems like a familar sentiment, but if that’s what you believe in what brought you here? Why do you think you took a journey to this place? Are you aware of the reasons that brought you here? If so, what do you think they are?
Is there anybody who you consider enlighened and whom you meet in person to learn from them and spent actual time learning from them?
That seems like a strawman.
It’s a general pattern to which some people fall victim.
To what extend you fall victim to it might be more questionable.
Maybe it was because of the word “enlightened/unenlightened/enlightenment”?
It’s because of seeing the state of total detachment as the goal. I don’t see it as a desireable state to sit in a monastery in a state of compassion doing nothing. I see it as a more desirable state to be connected to the world. I like having a mind. It’s useful for dealing with the world.
I also consider the word enlightenment to be no secular word. It also mixes a few different notions. It mixes the state that a person has who can lead a good meditation. Then there’s the notion of ego-detachement. There’s letting go of karma and reaching a samadi experience.
While we are with the samadi experience, in hypnosis circles there a state that get’s described this way called Esdaile state. Esdaile was a doctor who did amputations without anesthetica. I’m not sure to what extend he succeeded putting patients in that state but it’s funny to think of the state of eternal bliss being used for the practical prupose of being able to to amputation surgeries.
I like to use enlightened/unenlightened, because if you are enlightened you know. But you also might be tricking yourself that you are enlightened, thus cannot become something which you think you are. I think I have had a glimpse and some of it transitioned over. But then there is the ego, the monkey mind. Very close but still far away.
That’s true, it’s only assumptions. I assume you have ego because I have it, because I think a lot have it and here as well. It seems to be such a norm. But I don’t know how to spot it outside of my own assumptions from experience. Maybe some MRI scans have seen this ‘self’-hallucination.
In a discussion, isn’t it possible when someone is making an assumption about you, that you reply it is not true? Is it the case you do not have an ego?
I might be dogmatic in thinking I am more aware of certain things, but that’s just the order of whatever. It’s a paradigm of the ego definitely, transcending it would be interesting.
It can also be the case it doesn’t seem like many can even phantom to understand what I am communicating, or even are able to see everything from their perspective.
You have to see it from the perspective of ego, an ego lies. By spotting which text is from the ego and thus removing it, I have tricked myself in the process and strengthened my ego. There isn’t a bad part of “I” “you” or anyone else, which is the ego, the whole thing is it. But I do become more aware of my unawareness, and tricking myself in the process. This is hard.
We go to those that are enlightened, they do not come to us. Nothing matters, everything is nothing. Binary classifications is such a non-issue. :)
I know.
That seems like a strawman.
Everything I have said is secular, but I think that you see the world through your own eyes.
Maybe it was because of the word “enlightened/unenlightened/enlightenment”?
The problem was that the issue we were talking wasn’t whether I have ego but whether I have a single concept of “I” or self identity. I actually don’t have an attachment to a single concept of self identity but I consciously use different one’s at different times.
That seems like a familar sentiment, but if that’s what you believe in what brought you here? Why do you think you took a journey to this place? Are you aware of the reasons that brought you here? If so, what do you think they are?
Is there anybody who you consider enlighened and whom you meet in person to learn from them and spent actual time learning from them?
It’s a general pattern to which some people fall victim. To what extend you fall victim to it might be more questionable.
It’s because of seeing the state of total detachment as the goal. I don’t see it as a desireable state to sit in a monastery in a state of compassion doing nothing. I see it as a more desirable state to be connected to the world. I like having a mind. It’s useful for dealing with the world.
I also consider the word enlightenment to be no secular word. It also mixes a few different notions. It mixes the state that a person has who can lead a good meditation. Then there’s the notion of ego-detachement. There’s letting go of karma and reaching a samadi experience.
While we are with the samadi experience, in hypnosis circles there a state that get’s described this way called Esdaile state. Esdaile was a doctor who did amputations without anesthetica. I’m not sure to what extend he succeeded putting patients in that state but it’s funny to think of the state of eternal bliss being used for the practical prupose of being able to to amputation surgeries.