If we here can’t do better than that, then this whole rationality discussion we’ve been having comes to no more than how we can best get out of bed in the morning, solve a puzzle set by a powerful superintelligence in the afternoon, and get laid in the evening.
And you say that like it is a bad thing! The possibility of creating just such a utopia sounds like a damn good motivating influence for concerted altruistic effort and existintial risk mitigation to me!
I understood ciphergoth’s description as “what we have been discussing being useful for nothing more than these tasks”, not a world where those tasks are all you need to deal with.
As did I Kpreid, and I do appreciate Cipher’s overall message. I don’t, however accept the implicit argument (the implication clear in the loaded language) that those basic activities are inadequate or evidence that greater political influence is necessary.
I give you credit for noticing that the second, larger of my exclaimations does not particularly refute ciphergoth. In fact, it was a tangent which served as a filler and to lighten the contradiction somewhat. It also hints at one reason that I consider those activities of value. If something would exist in a utopia that I would accept then chances are that making it in this banal reality is a good thing in itself.
Not sure what you’re driving at. I value both getting up and getting laid, though I’m not sure I appreciate the preparation for Omega so much. If you agree that we could usefully spend more time talking about concerted altruistic effort and existential risk mitigation, not least in order to change the world so that we can concentrate more on fun, then I think you agree with the thrust of the paragraph you quote.
I don’t agree, but it is not really a disagreement worth breaking down to our respective implicit and explicit premises, arguments and conclusions and any potential conflict between the two positions.
And you say that like it is a bad thing! The possibility of creating just such a utopia sounds like a damn good motivating influence for concerted altruistic effort and existintial risk mitigation to me!
I understood ciphergoth’s description as “what we have been discussing being useful for nothing more than these tasks”, not a world where those tasks are all you need to deal with.
As did I Kpreid, and I do appreciate Cipher’s overall message. I don’t, however accept the implicit argument (the implication clear in the loaded language) that those basic activities are inadequate or evidence that greater political influence is necessary.
I give you credit for noticing that the second, larger of my exclaimations does not particularly refute ciphergoth. In fact, it was a tangent which served as a filler and to lighten the contradiction somewhat. It also hints at one reason that I consider those activities of value. If something would exist in a utopia that I would accept then chances are that making it in this banal reality is a good thing in itself.
Not sure what you’re driving at. I value both getting up and getting laid, though I’m not sure I appreciate the preparation for Omega so much. If you agree that we could usefully spend more time talking about concerted altruistic effort and existential risk mitigation, not least in order to change the world so that we can concentrate more on fun, then I think you agree with the thrust of the paragraph you quote.
I don’t agree, but it is not really a disagreement worth breaking down to our respective implicit and explicit premises, arguments and conclusions and any potential conflict between the two positions.