Re: Your initial comment was that creationists don’t need to debate students since they can debate all these famous atheist science writers.
No it wasn’t. What I actually said was:
“Creationists don’t have to debate college students—they have Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Christoper Hitchens, Sam Harris, P Z Myers, Robert Wright—who all seem quite prepared to stoop down to their level as part of some kind of “gutter outreach” program.”
I didn’t say the “stooping” was done via formal debates. That was an inference on your part. My list was of people who had recently bothered to write whole books on the subject—plus P Z Myers—who also apparently spends an enormous amount of time on the issue.
The topic under discussion is debates with creationists. You’ve claimed that the term debate should include books, blog posts and disagreeable interviews. But that definition is over broad for purposes of this discussion because it includes mediums that don’t come with the ‘giving credibility’ issues which brought about this post. The whole post was about why it would be best to pair creationists with students- all of the examples were like this. You don’t get pairing like that with people writing books. The whole back drop of all of this is several people leaving bloggingheads.tv because creationists were debated there. The people who left bh.tv have probably blogged about creationist issues before- but if that counted as debating in our context then it would be weird for them to quit blogging heads over someone else doing the debating.
Btw, of the people you listed only one has written a book on the subject of creationism. That book was published in 1986.
(I think I’m done with this thread as I’ve done my due diligence correcting errors.)
Re: Your initial comment was that creationists don’t need to debate students since they can debate all these famous atheist science writers.
No it wasn’t. What I actually said was:
“Creationists don’t have to debate college students—they have Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Christoper Hitchens, Sam Harris, P Z Myers, Robert Wright—who all seem quite prepared to stoop down to their level as part of some kind of “gutter outreach” program.”
I didn’t say the “stooping” was done via formal debates. That was an inference on your part. My list was of people who had recently bothered to write whole books on the subject—plus P Z Myers—who also apparently spends an enormous amount of time on the issue.
I think my paraphrase was more than satisfactory.
The topic under discussion is debates with creationists. You’ve claimed that the term debate should include books, blog posts and disagreeable interviews. But that definition is over broad for purposes of this discussion because it includes mediums that don’t come with the ‘giving credibility’ issues which brought about this post. The whole post was about why it would be best to pair creationists with students- all of the examples were like this. You don’t get pairing like that with people writing books. The whole back drop of all of this is several people leaving bloggingheads.tv because creationists were debated there. The people who left bh.tv have probably blogged about creationist issues before- but if that counted as debating in our context then it would be weird for them to quit blogging heads over someone else doing the debating.
Btw, of the people you listed only one has written a book on the subject of creationism. That book was published in 1986.
(I think I’m done with this thread as I’ve done my due diligence correcting errors.)