Well, yes, because whether you’re “being” good is somewhat irrelevant.
That’s a semantics objection. Pretend that I said a more appropriate phrase instead of “being good”, such as “maximizing utility” or “doing what you should do”.
Normality is not a terminal value of mine,
Normality serves as a sanity check against taking ideas seriously. Sanity checks aren’t terminal values.
Your argument is of the form A, B, C results in X, but A, B and not C results in Y, so “in practice” X and Y are associated. But this is bizarre when a lot of different things can result in Y
You just said that you doubt that “more than a third” of EAs identify as LW-rationalist. Even aside from the fact that you can be one without identifying as one, one third shows a huge influence. I wouldn’t find that one third of vegetarians are LW-rationalists, or 1⁄3 of atheists, for instance, even though those are popular positions here.
You still have not addressed the point that adopting new behaviors is qualitatively different psychologically than getting rid of old ones
Ther very fact that you’re asking how to reconcile cryonics with EA shows that cryonics is not in the category of psychologically easy to give up things. Otherwise you’d just avoid cryonics immediately.
“You just said that you doubt that “more than a third” of EAs identify as LW-rationalist. Even aside from the fact that you can be one without identifying as one, one third shows a huge influence. I wouldn’t find that one third of vegetarians are LW-rationalists, or 1⁄3 of atheists, for instance, even though those are popular positions here.”
I feel like you’re making a pretty elementary subset error there…
“Ther very fact that you’re asking how to reconcile cryonics with EA shows that cryonics is not in the category of psychologically easy to give up things. Otherwise you’d just avoid cryonics immediately.” No, I currently see no inside view need to go for cryonics, emotionally or otherwise. There were enough people I respect who went for cryonics that my outside view was that they knew something I did not. This does not appear to be the case, and I see no reason to consider this further, at least until I grow substantially older or sicker. Nor do I see a need to continue this conversation.
I feel like you’re making a pretty elementary subset error there...
I meant what I said. If 1⁄3 of X are Y, but X doesn’t have anywhere near a 1⁄3 prevalence in the general population or in other subgroups that are disproportionately Y for separate reasons, then it’s fair to say that X has a huge influence on Y.
Nor do I see a need to continue this conversation.
The proper way to end a conversation is to just end it, not to say “this is why I am right, now that I am done saying that, I’ll end it”.
That’s a semantics objection. Pretend that I said a more appropriate phrase instead of “being good”, such as “maximizing utility” or “doing what you should do”.
Normality serves as a sanity check against taking ideas seriously. Sanity checks aren’t terminal values.
You just said that you doubt that “more than a third” of EAs identify as LW-rationalist. Even aside from the fact that you can be one without identifying as one, one third shows a huge influence. I wouldn’t find that one third of vegetarians are LW-rationalists, or 1⁄3 of atheists, for instance, even though those are popular positions here.
Ther very fact that you’re asking how to reconcile cryonics with EA shows that cryonics is not in the category of psychologically easy to give up things. Otherwise you’d just avoid cryonics immediately.
“You just said that you doubt that “more than a third” of EAs identify as LW-rationalist. Even aside from the fact that you can be one without identifying as one, one third shows a huge influence. I wouldn’t find that one third of vegetarians are LW-rationalists, or 1⁄3 of atheists, for instance, even though those are popular positions here.” I feel like you’re making a pretty elementary subset error there…
“Ther very fact that you’re asking how to reconcile cryonics with EA shows that cryonics is not in the category of psychologically easy to give up things. Otherwise you’d just avoid cryonics immediately.” No, I currently see no inside view need to go for cryonics, emotionally or otherwise. There were enough people I respect who went for cryonics that my outside view was that they knew something I did not. This does not appear to be the case, and I see no reason to consider this further, at least until I grow substantially older or sicker. Nor do I see a need to continue this conversation.
Happy New Year.
I meant what I said. If 1⁄3 of X are Y, but X doesn’t have anywhere near a 1⁄3 prevalence in the general population or in other subgroups that are disproportionately Y for separate reasons, then it’s fair to say that X has a huge influence on Y.
The proper way to end a conversation is to just end it, not to say “this is why I am right, now that I am done saying that, I’ll end it”.