If you truly want to become stronger, and not just mine this thread for positive karma, you will read actual radical feminist women and figure that out for yourself, rather than trying to extract information from me that I don’t fully have.
I can at least say that you’re very wrong about liberal feminism being against compulsory sexuality (liberal feminists support compulsory sexuality in that the actions they take make it more probable), about the goals of liberal feminism (you’re talking specifically about a subset of liberal feminists called equality feminists, but liberal feminists in general don’t really recognize patriarchy, or at least almost never use that term or a strong analysis of gender as a social class), and about the reasons why radical feminists believe what they believe.
I will say this again: I cannot give you the answers to these questions. I am going to stop playing “feminist AMA” now and leave you to either educate yourself or be content with the fact that you might be oppressing people.
you will read actual radical feminist women and figure that out for yourself
I did, believe it or not. My impression of “actual radical feminist women” has been largely negative; they seem to be more interested in winning battles than in acquiring true beliefs or solving any real-world problems. That’s probably why I find your views so fascinating, since you are actually willing (some of the time) to justify your claims.
I can at least say that you’re very wrong about liberal feminism being against compulsory sexuality (liberal feminists support compulsory sexuality in that the actions they take make it more probable)...
You are conflating two very different concepts here, by employing the very anti-pattern Yvain is describing in his post: ”Liberal feminism explicitly endorses compulsory sexuality” vs ”Liberal feminists endorse practices that, unbeknownst to them, lead to compulsory sexuality”
but liberal feminists in general don’t really recognize patriarchy, or at least almost never use that term or a strong analysis of gender as a social class
Can you offer some examples ? Every piece of feminist literature I’ve ever read talks extensively about patriarchy, privilege, and gender.
I am going to stop playing “feminist AMA” now and leave you to either educate yourself or be content with the fact that you might be oppressing people.
This is a false dichotomy. It is entirely possible for me to believe that I’m inadvertently oppressing people in several ways, while still disagreeing with your own claims.
If you truly want to become stronger, and not just mine this thread for positive karma, you will read actual radical feminist women and figure that out for yourself, rather than trying to extract information from me that I don’t fully have.
I can at least say that you’re very wrong about liberal feminism being against compulsory sexuality (liberal feminists support compulsory sexuality in that the actions they take make it more probable), about the goals of liberal feminism (you’re talking specifically about a subset of liberal feminists called equality feminists, but liberal feminists in general don’t really recognize patriarchy, or at least almost never use that term or a strong analysis of gender as a social class), and about the reasons why radical feminists believe what they believe.
I will say this again: I cannot give you the answers to these questions. I am going to stop playing “feminist AMA” now and leave you to either educate yourself or be content with the fact that you might be oppressing people.
I did, believe it or not. My impression of “actual radical feminist women” has been largely negative; they seem to be more interested in winning battles than in acquiring true beliefs or solving any real-world problems. That’s probably why I find your views so fascinating, since you are actually willing (some of the time) to justify your claims.
You are conflating two very different concepts here, by employing the very anti-pattern Yvain is describing in his post:
”Liberal feminism explicitly endorses compulsory sexuality”
vs
”Liberal feminists endorse practices that, unbeknownst to them, lead to compulsory sexuality”
Can you offer some examples ? Every piece of feminist literature I’ve ever read talks extensively about patriarchy, privilege, and gender.
This is a false dichotomy. It is entirely possible for me to believe that I’m inadvertently oppressing people in several ways, while still disagreeing with your own claims.