Your time is valuable, but if you can afford to comment on Internet websites, it isn’t that valuable.
I avoided getting into it for a while, for that reason.
I have failed to appreciate the glorious rationalism of Less Wrong.
No, I was lecturing you on using bad rhetorical tactics. (Historically Less Wrong does pretty poorly when gender politics comes up. This was the best gender-politic discussion I’ve seen, which was particularly interesting.)
I admit this IS still pretty bad, but the opening comment wasn’t something that had much chance at all of producing a non-tribal discussion. I actually do like your opening warning (“please demonstrate your outgroup hatred with a downvote and move on”), but continuing to harp on that concept whenever anyone disagreed with you didn’t help anything.
I actually do like your opening warning (“please demonstrate your outgroup hatred with a downvote and move on”)
Actually I think that was the problem. The first response to that was met with “hivemind” and “so much for your vaunted rationality” and after you start seeing things like that there’s pretty much no chance any future discussion will be productive.
This was the best gender-politic discussion I’ve seen, which was particularly interesting.
I’ve gotten pretty good at LW buzzwords, and since my comment got buried quickly it kept the set of people commenting on it confined to those who saw it and were drawn to the topic of feminism.
Wei_dai’s post about this has some great comments that range from mere denial of patriarchy to hard reactionary male supremacy.
continuing to harp on that concept whenever anyone disagreed with you didn’t help anything.
I confined discussion of that point to the comment subthread of someone commenting on only that line of text from my original post.
Or at least, I hope I did. I can’t keep track of context when I’m just replying to scores of comments.
Likewise, from below:
after you start seeing things like that there’s pretty much no chance any future discussion will be productive.
Commenting on one line of snark in my original comment was not productive in itself. Of course there was no chance future discussion would be productive. At that point, in that thread, the discussion was over style rather than substance.
I avoided getting into it for a while, for that reason.
No, I was lecturing you on using bad rhetorical tactics. (Historically Less Wrong does pretty poorly when gender politics comes up. This was the best gender-politic discussion I’ve seen, which was particularly interesting.)
I admit this IS still pretty bad, but the opening comment wasn’t something that had much chance at all of producing a non-tribal discussion. I actually do like your opening warning (“please demonstrate your outgroup hatred with a downvote and move on”), but continuing to harp on that concept whenever anyone disagreed with you didn’t help anything.
Actually I think that was the problem. The first response to that was met with “hivemind” and “so much for your vaunted rationality” and after you start seeing things like that there’s pretty much no chance any future discussion will be productive.
I’ve gotten pretty good at LW buzzwords, and since my comment got buried quickly it kept the set of people commenting on it confined to those who saw it and were drawn to the topic of feminism.
Wei_dai’s post about this has some great comments that range from mere denial of patriarchy to hard reactionary male supremacy.
I confined discussion of that point to the comment subthread of someone commenting on only that line of text from my original post.
Or at least, I hope I did. I can’t keep track of context when I’m just replying to scores of comments.
Likewise, from below:
Commenting on one line of snark in my original comment was not productive in itself. Of course there was no chance future discussion would be productive. At that point, in that thread, the discussion was over style rather than substance.