Since hating on the mainstream media is itself mainstream now....would it be a net benefit for SSC to pass this story (about NYT doxxing) to some of NYT’s competitors/new media? Just brainstorming, not suggesting this as potential course of retaliation/threat, since it could backfire if it causes NYT to double down when feeling attacked.
I’ve tried to keep my last name secret. I haven’t always done great at this, but I’ve done better than “have it get printed in the New York Times“.
It’s not like his real name was ungoogleable before. The determined could find him (and have). Therefore, I expect a few tweets from nobodies would likely remain obscure when this blows over. Do not amplify them when you see them. Ignore. But a NYT article is a bigger deal.
I agree with that prediction, but that seems a given, with how Scott has called his supporters to action with emailing the NYT. Such a coordination is gonna draw the attention regardless.
I suspect the strategy more to make it obvious the paper is aware of what it is doing, not allowing them to spin it as a misunderstanding after the fact. I think this changes their calculation more than people realize, but it’s impossible to say what the final decision will be.
If it happens before the publication, it wouldn’t be retaliation, but more like a commitment to retaliate. If there’s people making a fuss about the reporter’s current intention to publish, it’s a pretty clear signal what would happen if they follow through.
If it gets them to change their minds in time before the publication, that seems like the best outcome.
I think it “not being retaliation” makes it any more less edgy. If I credibly threaten to beat you up if you do something I have made an illegal threat even if I never punch someone. And I feel it goes along the same lines on the moral level. The relevant distinction would be emotive “I didn’t really mean to” speech vs credible communication of intent. If it is intentional and credible it is very comparable to actually carrying it out.
It’s quite possible to invest more time into “contacting the NYTimes” then writing a single email. You could for example encourage other people to write as well. Especially people who they NYTimes might more care about than random people.
Since hating on the mainstream media is itself mainstream now....would it be a net benefit for SSC to pass this story (about NYT doxxing) to some of NYT’s competitors/new media? Just brainstorming, not suggesting this as potential course of retaliation/threat, since it could backfire if it causes NYT to double down when feeling attacked.
I feel like the more places report on this, the higher the probability that at least one of them will publish Scott’s real name.
I fear the growing Twitter storm will have the same effect, even if successful.
It has already happened. I checked.
It’s not like his real name was ungoogleable before. The determined could find him (and have). Therefore, I expect a few tweets from nobodies would likely remain obscure when this blows over. Do not amplify them when you see them. Ignore. But a NYT article is a bigger deal.
Did a cursory look through Twitter and found several critical accounts spreading it, so as gilch said, it’s already happening to an extent :/
I agree with that prediction, but that seems a given, with how Scott has called his supporters to action with emailing the NYT. Such a coordination is gonna draw the attention regardless.
I suspect the strategy more to make it obvious the paper is aware of what it is doing, not allowing them to spin it as a misunderstanding after the fact. I think this changes their calculation more than people realize, but it’s impossible to say what the final decision will be.
Retaliation only makes sense if the article gets published with the name which hasn’t yet happened.
If it happens before the publication, it wouldn’t be retaliation, but more like a commitment to retaliate. If there’s people making a fuss about the reporter’s current intention to publish, it’s a pretty clear signal what would happen if they follow through.
If it gets them to change their minds in time before the publication, that seems like the best outcome.
I think it “not being retaliation” makes it any more less edgy. If I credibly threaten to beat you up if you do something I have made an illegal threat even if I never punch someone. And I feel it goes along the same lines on the moral level. The relevant distinction would be emotive “I didn’t really mean to” speech vs credible communication of intent. If it is intentional and credible it is very comparable to actually carrying it out.
Given the news cycle speed, it makes sense to get ready for the likely scenarios.
It likely makes more sense to follow Scotts advice to contact the NYTimes to advice not to doxx him then focus on preparing for retaliation.
Of course, that was a given. I just assumed that most of us don’t need days of exclusive focus to write an email.
It’s quite possible to invest more time into “contacting the NYTimes” then writing a single email. You could for example encourage other people to write as well. Especially people who they NYTimes might more care about than random people.
Fair enough.