In my experience, which is not this site and probably not a culture you are from, putting some aggresion is essential part to even start a discussion. I mean proper discussion, which makes people think hard and which makes people to aggree on important things. Everything else is just small talk.
Huh. That doesn’t seem an unreasonable model, for much of the world. I definitely feel the “most conversation doesn’t seem to be about figuring out what’s true / changing anyone’s plans”.
But to respond about this site and culture: here, we strive to make it that our casual, everyday conversations, change our minds, beliefs, and (most importantly) plans. It’s a vision of a group of humans who, with every piece of information that comes to them, immediately uses it to change their models in accordance with the evidence—and in so far as we reach the ideal, it is hopefully more effective than an alternative where you only really integrate evidence when someone puts something on the line—i.e. our relationship, by me being rude and calling you out. It makes changing our minds less stressful, and we give each other positive feedback when we do so, especially if it means admitting we were stupid before.
I’ve generally found such positive incentive to mean that, when someone does try changing their mind, and I react positively, they feel more comfortable in future doing the same, and they also enjoy being part of the community more. This has positive spiralling effects.
(Alright, I admit, we don’t hit the perfect ideal. But some of us get pretty far, and sometimes we do pretty incredible things, in my opinion.)
In sum, unfortunately, your cultural background are not those of this site, and I expect if you don’t put a little effort into changing your commenting style, you’ll continue to be significantly downvoted regularly. Nonetheless, thanks for stating clearly your cultural assumptions :-)
But what if it feels less stressful exactly because, you actually don’t change them? You know how you remember moments in your life better if they there strongly emotional? This suggest that stronger the emotions the bigger the impact on the brain. Then what if something that is interesting, but not stressful, just gives you the warm feeling of changing your mind, but actual neural connections fades away in few days, just like memory about boring conversation you had with colleague at the coffee machine?
I expect if you don’t put a little effort into changing your commenting style, you’ll continue to be significantly downvoted regularly.
What is interesting is that my second reply in the thread have even more downvotes that the first. Seems that more people read the second post even though it was hidden due to lot of downvotes of parent post. This suggests post being hidden acts as kind of attractor for reading the post. It could be something like “hey this post was heavily downvoted, there should be blood, let me see that stuff”. People need action, even rationalists :)
I think it should be obvious that the moderators on this site are not huge fans of people being controversial for the sake of being controversial (it makes our jobs a lot harder and wastes a lot of people’s time).
Take this as a warning that if you continue trying to get attention by being primarily controversial, without actually having good arguments, we will ban you. You’ve displayed behavior like this a few times and a large number of your recent comments are very heavily downvoted for that reason.
I believe the worst possible incentive you can think of for somebody who you think is trying to get attention, is to give him attention. That`s just my two cents, not trying to seem as I know how to do your job ;)
In my experience, which is not this site and probably not a culture you are from, putting some aggresion is essential part to even start a discussion. I mean proper discussion, which makes people think hard and which makes people to aggree on important things. Everything else is just small talk.
Huh. That doesn’t seem an unreasonable model, for much of the world. I definitely feel the “most conversation doesn’t seem to be about figuring out what’s true / changing anyone’s plans”.
But to respond about this site and culture: here, we strive to make it that our casual, everyday conversations, change our minds, beliefs, and (most importantly) plans. It’s a vision of a group of humans who, with every piece of information that comes to them, immediately uses it to change their models in accordance with the evidence—and in so far as we reach the ideal, it is hopefully more effective than an alternative where you only really integrate evidence when someone puts something on the line—i.e. our relationship, by me being rude and calling you out. It makes changing our minds less stressful, and we give each other positive feedback when we do so, especially if it means admitting we were stupid before.
I’ve generally found such positive incentive to mean that, when someone does try changing their mind, and I react positively, they feel more comfortable in future doing the same, and they also enjoy being part of the community more. This has positive spiralling effects.
(Alright, I admit, we don’t hit the perfect ideal. But some of us get pretty far, and sometimes we do pretty incredible things, in my opinion.)
In sum, unfortunately, your cultural background are not those of this site, and I expect if you don’t put a little effort into changing your commenting style, you’ll continue to be significantly downvoted regularly. Nonetheless, thanks for stating clearly your cultural assumptions :-)
But what if it feels less stressful exactly because, you actually don’t change them? You know how you remember moments in your life better if they there strongly emotional? This suggest that stronger the emotions the bigger the impact on the brain. Then what if something that is interesting, but not stressful, just gives you the warm feeling of changing your mind, but actual neural connections fades away in few days, just like memory about boring conversation you had with colleague at the coffee machine?
What is interesting is that my second reply in the thread have even more downvotes that the first. Seems that more people read the second post even though it was hidden due to lot of downvotes of parent post. This suggests post being hidden acts as kind of attractor for reading the post. It could be something like “hey this post was heavily downvoted, there should be blood, let me see that stuff”. People need action, even rationalists :)
I think it should be obvious that the moderators on this site are not huge fans of people being controversial for the sake of being controversial (it makes our jobs a lot harder and wastes a lot of people’s time).
Take this as a warning that if you continue trying to get attention by being primarily controversial, without actually having good arguments, we will ban you. You’ve displayed behavior like this a few times and a large number of your recent comments are very heavily downvoted for that reason.
I believe the worst possible incentive you can think of for somebody who you think is trying to get attention, is to give him attention. That`s just my two cents, not trying to seem as I know how to do your job ;)