This comment contains no italics and no exclamation points. (I didn’t realize that was the implied request—as Wei intuited, I was trying to show that that’s just how I talk sometimes for complicated psychological reasons, and that I didn’t think it should be taken personally. Now that you’ve explicitly told me to not do that, I will. As you’ve noticed, I’m not always very good at subtext, but I should hope to be capable of complying with explicit requests.)
That is persuasive that you respect my ability to think and even flattering. I would have also taken it as strong evidence if you’d simply said “I respect your thinking” at some earlier point.
I don’t think that would be strong evidence. Anyone could have said “I respect your thinking” in order to be nice (or to deescalate the conflict), even if they didn’t, in fact, respect you. The Mnemosyne cards are stronger evidence because they already existed.
you’d come in order to do me the favor of informing me I was flat-out, no questions about it, wrong
I came to offer relevant arguments and commentary in response to the OP. Whether or not my arguments and commentary were pursasive (or show that you were “wrong”) is up for each individual reader to decide for themselves.
I am strongly tempted to ban you from commenting on any of my posts to save myself further aggravation
That’s fine with me. (I’ve done this once with one user whose comments I didn’t like; it would be hypocritical for me to object if someone else did it to me because they didn’t like my comments.)
this further exchange about conversational norms has been the absolute lowlight of my weekend (indeed, receiving your comments has made my whole week feel worse) [...] I’m at my limit of willingness to talk to you.
Yes, this meta exchange about discourse norms has been quite stressful for me, too. (The conversation about the post itself was fine for me.) I hope you feel better soon.
I’ve been thinking about this thread as well as discourse norms generally. After additional thought, I’ve updated that I responded poorly throughout this thread and misjudged quite a few things. I think I felt disproportionately attacked by Zack’s initial comment (perhaps because I haven’t been active enough online to ever receive a direct combative comment like that one), and after that I was biased to view subsequent comments as more antagonistic than they probably were.
Zack’s comments contain some reasonable and valuable points. I think they could be written better to let the good points be readily be seen (content, structure, and tone), but notwithstanding it’s probably on the whole good that Zack contributed them, including the first one as written.
The above update makes me also update towards more caution around norms which dictate how one communicates. I think it probably would be bad if there’d been norms I could have invoked to punish or silence when I felt upset with Zack and Zack’s comments. (This isn’t a final statement of my thoughts, just an interim update, as I continue to think more carefully about this topic.)
So lastly, I’m sorry @Zack. I shouldn’t have responded quite as I did, and I regret that I did. I apologize for the stress and aggravation that I am responsible for causing you.. Thank you for contributions and persistence. Maybe we’ll have some better exchanges in the future!?
This comment contains no italics and no exclamation points. (I didn’t realize that was the implied request—as Wei intuited, I was trying to show that that’s just how I talk sometimes for complicated psychological reasons, and that I didn’t think it should be taken personally. Now that you’ve explicitly told me to not do that, I will. As you’ve noticed, I’m not always very good at subtext, but I should hope to be capable of complying with explicit requests.)
I don’t think that would be strong evidence. Anyone could have said “I respect your thinking” in order to be nice (or to deescalate the conflict), even if they didn’t, in fact, respect you. The Mnemosyne cards are stronger evidence because they already existed.
I came to offer relevant arguments and commentary in response to the OP. Whether or not my arguments and commentary were pursasive (or show that you were “wrong”) is up for each individual reader to decide for themselves.
That’s fine with me. (I’ve done this once with one user whose comments I didn’t like; it would be hypocritical for me to object if someone else did it to me because they didn’t like my comments.)
Yes, this meta exchange about discourse norms has been quite stressful for me, too. (The conversation about the post itself was fine for me.) I hope you feel better soon.
Some Updates and an Apology:
I’ve been thinking about this thread as well as discourse norms generally. After additional thought, I’ve updated that I responded poorly throughout this thread and misjudged quite a few things. I think I felt disproportionately attacked by Zack’s initial comment (perhaps because I haven’t been active enough online to ever receive a direct combative comment like that one), and after that I was biased to view subsequent comments as more antagonistic than they probably were.
Zack’s comments contain some reasonable and valuable points. I think they could be written better to let the good points be readily be seen (content, structure, and tone), but notwithstanding it’s probably on the whole good that Zack contributed them, including the first one as written.
The above update makes me also update towards more caution around norms which dictate how one communicates. I think it probably would be bad if there’d been norms I could have invoked to punish or silence when I felt upset with Zack and Zack’s comments. (This isn’t a final statement of my thoughts, just an interim update, as I continue to think more carefully about this topic.)
So lastly, I’m sorry @Zack. I shouldn’t have responded quite as I did, and I regret that I did. I apologize for the stress and aggravation that I am responsible for causing you.. Thank you for contributions and persistence. Maybe we’ll have some better exchanges in the future!?
I accept your apology.
Thank you.