This may seem like nitpicking, but I promise it’s for non-troll purposes.
In short, I don’t understand what the problem is. What do you mean by falling flat? That they don’t understand what you’re saying, that they don’t agree with you, or something else? Are you trying to change their minds so that they’d think less about themselves and more about the civilization at large? What precisely is the goal that you’re failing to accomplish?
On the occasions I’ve had this conversation, IIRC, I don’t seem to have managed to even get to the stage of them understanding that I /can/ care about what happens after I die, let alone get to an agreement about what’s /worth/ caring about post-mortem.
If they really can’t even see that someone can care, then it certainly sounds as though the problem is in their understanding rather than your explanations. The viewpoint of “I don’t care what happens if it doesn’t involve me in any way” doesn’t seem in any way inherently self-contradictory, so it’d be a hard position to argue against, but that shouldn’t be getting in the way of seeing that not everyone has to think that way. Things like thesethreecomments might have a shot at bridging the empathic gap, but if that fails… I got nothing.
This may seem like nitpicking, but I promise it’s for non-troll purposes.
In short, I don’t understand what the problem is. What do you mean by falling flat? That they don’t understand what you’re saying, that they don’t agree with you, or something else? Are you trying to change their minds so that they’d think less about themselves and more about the civilization at large? What precisely is the goal that you’re failing to accomplish?
On the occasions I’ve had this conversation, IIRC, I don’t seem to have managed to even get to the stage of them understanding that I /can/ care about what happens after I die, let alone get to an agreement about what’s /worth/ caring about post-mortem.
If they really can’t even see that someone can care, then it certainly sounds as though the problem is in their understanding rather than your explanations. The viewpoint of “I don’t care what happens if it doesn’t involve me in any way” doesn’t seem in any way inherently self-contradictory, so it’d be a hard position to argue against, but that shouldn’t be getting in the way of seeing that not everyone has to think that way. Things like these three comments might have a shot at bridging the empathic gap, but if that fails… I got nothing.