Thanks for popping up a meta-level. Seems reasonable in this circumstance.
I agree with you that that one paragraph is mostly doing the “I think you’re partly wrong, but also partly right” thing, but the rest of my comment doesn’t really do that, so I am a bit sad/annoyed that you perceived that to be my primary intention (or at least that’s what I read into your above comment).
I also think that paragraph is doing some other important work that isn’t only about the “let’s avoid a zero-sum conflict situation”, but I don’t really want to go into that too much, since I expect it to be less valuable than the other conversations we could be having.
The rest of my comment is pointing out some relatively concrete ways that make me doubt the things that you are saying. I have a model in my head of where you are coming from, and can see how that contradicts with other parts of reality that seem a lot more robust than the justifications that I think underlie your model.
I don’t yet have a sense that you see those parts of reality that make me think that your models are unlikely to be correct, and so I was trying primarily to point them out to you, and then for you to either produce a response of how you have actually integrated them, or for you to change your mind.
I think this mostly overlaps with your second suggested frame, so I guess we can just continue from there. I think I know why you care, and can probably give at least an approximate model of where you are coming from. I tried to explain what I think you are missing, which was concretely the concerns around bounded computation and the relatively universal need for people to coordinate with other people, which seem to me to contradict some of the things you are saying.
Also happy to give a summary of where I think you are coming from, and what my best guess of your current model is. While I see some contradictions in your model (or my best guess of it), it does seem actually important to point out that I’ve found value in thinking about it and am interested in seeing it fleshed out further (and am as such interested in continuing this conversation).
This could either happen in the form of...
you trying to more explicitly summarize what you think my current model is missing (probably by summarizing my model first),
or by me summarizing your model and asking some clarifying question,
or by you responding to my concrete objections in an analytic way,
or by me responding to your latest comment (though I don’t really know how to do that, since something about the expected frame of that reply feels off)
I don’t really have any super strong preference for any of these, but will likely not respond for a day. After that, I will try summarizing your perspective a bit more explicitly and then either ask some followup questions or point out the contradictions I currently see in it more explicitly.
I don’t understand the relevance of your responses to my stated model. I’d like it if you tried to explain why your responses are relevant, in a way that characterizes what you think I’m saying more explicitly.
My other most recent comment tries to show what your perspective looks like to me, and what I think it’s missing.
Thanks for popping up a meta-level. Seems reasonable in this circumstance.
I agree with you that that one paragraph is mostly doing the “I think you’re partly wrong, but also partly right” thing, but the rest of my comment doesn’t really do that, so I am a bit sad/annoyed that you perceived that to be my primary intention (or at least that’s what I read into your above comment).
I also think that paragraph is doing some other important work that isn’t only about the “let’s avoid a zero-sum conflict situation”, but I don’t really want to go into that too much, since I expect it to be less valuable than the other conversations we could be having.
The rest of my comment is pointing out some relatively concrete ways that make me doubt the things that you are saying. I have a model in my head of where you are coming from, and can see how that contradicts with other parts of reality that seem a lot more robust than the justifications that I think underlie your model.
I don’t yet have a sense that you see those parts of reality that make me think that your models are unlikely to be correct, and so I was trying primarily to point them out to you, and then for you to either produce a response of how you have actually integrated them, or for you to change your mind.
I think this mostly overlaps with your second suggested frame, so I guess we can just continue from there. I think I know why you care, and can probably give at least an approximate model of where you are coming from. I tried to explain what I think you are missing, which was concretely the concerns around bounded computation and the relatively universal need for people to coordinate with other people, which seem to me to contradict some of the things you are saying.
Also happy to give a summary of where I think you are coming from, and what my best guess of your current model is. While I see some contradictions in your model (or my best guess of it), it does seem actually important to point out that I’ve found value in thinking about it and am interested in seeing it fleshed out further (and am as such interested in continuing this conversation).
This could either happen in the form of...
you trying to more explicitly summarize what you think my current model is missing (probably by summarizing my model first),
or by me summarizing your model and asking some clarifying question,
or by you responding to my concrete objections in an analytic way,
or by me responding to your latest comment (though I don’t really know how to do that, since something about the expected frame of that reply feels off)
I don’t really have any super strong preference for any of these, but will likely not respond for a day. After that, I will try summarizing your perspective a bit more explicitly and then either ask some followup questions or point out the contradictions I currently see in it more explicitly.
I don’t understand the relevance of your responses to my stated model. I’d like it if you tried to explain why your responses are relevant, in a way that characterizes what you think I’m saying more explicitly.
My other most recent comment tries to show what your perspective looks like to me, and what I think it’s missing.