Another account of Eugine_Nier / Azathoth123 / Voiceofra / The_Lion / The_Lion2 / Old_Gold is banned, effective now. This is an enforcement of the already existing ban, therefore only this message in Open Thread.
What’s going on in his thought process? Is he still downvoting people? What is he doing that’s this bad? I mean i’m sure there’s a good reason, but it’s sort of strange he keeps coming back and not changing his behavior or not moving on to one of our tangent communities.
I’ve not dealt with him, so can someone explain to me what he is doing?
How I see it, deleting of Eugine’s new accounts is a continuous enforcement of the permanent ban from 2014 (explained here). Whether he continues in his previous behavior should in theory be irrelevant; I would delete his new accounts anyway because that’s what “permanent” means. But in practice, he continues with his old behavior, which makes him easier to detect, and motivates me to overcome my laziness.
Yes, still downvoting. As Elo says, that’s one way to find him, though there are others (e.g., some of his aliases have been identified very quickly, probably on style alone).
As for what he’s doing, I think he’s fighting a culture war. He doesn’t really care if he keeps getting banned; he is still able to keep posting what he does, and upvoting it with his sockpuppets[1], and mass-downvoting people who conspicuously disagree with him in the hope of reducing their credibility (and maybe making them go away).
[1] That’s a plausible conjecture rather than (so far as I’m aware) something known to be true. Conditional on its being true, I would guess that his socks probably also upvote other people’s expressions of sociopolitical views compatible with his own.
=/ We should tell him the opportunity cost of this stuff is too large, don’t run down the clock on your life. Eugine_Nier go get a more productive way to channel this frustration.
He was originally banned for downvoting. That’s how we keep finding him.
He also holds contentious views and feels as though he is being silenced for his contentious views. As we know though; lesswrong is usually very happy to entertain contentious views so long as they are presented carefully and handled like the potential mindkillers that they are.
He would like his views to appear to his opposers that they are stronger than they are.
In the way that people treat them as identity issues, political party issues and blue/green (you’re either with us or you’re against us), they can be. I would say I see a light correlation between identity and mindkilled.
And curiously (1) has, if my karma is anything to go by, been downvoting vigorously already even though (2) he’s currently sitting with karma=4, and I think you need >=10 to vote. But I think yesterday he had more. (I also thought I saw more comments yesterday in his overview than I do now, but perhaps I imagined that.)
moderator action: Torchlight_Crimson is banned
Another account of Eugine_Nier / Azathoth123 / Voiceofra / The_Lion / The_Lion2 / Old_Gold is banned, effective now. This is an enforcement of the already existing ban, therefore only this message in Open Thread.
EDIT: Also Crownless_Prince.
What’s going on in his thought process? Is he still downvoting people? What is he doing that’s this bad? I mean i’m sure there’s a good reason, but it’s sort of strange he keeps coming back and not changing his behavior or not moving on to one of our tangent communities.
I’ve not dealt with him, so can someone explain to me what he is doing?
How I see it, deleting of Eugine’s new accounts is a continuous enforcement of the permanent ban from 2014 (explained here). Whether he continues in his previous behavior should in theory be irrelevant; I would delete his new accounts anyway because that’s what “permanent” means. But in practice, he continues with his old behavior, which makes him easier to detect, and motivates me to overcome my laziness.
Yes, still downvoting. As Elo says, that’s one way to find him, though there are others (e.g., some of his aliases have been identified very quickly, probably on style alone).
As for what he’s doing, I think he’s fighting a culture war. He doesn’t really care if he keeps getting banned; he is still able to keep posting what he does, and upvoting it with his sockpuppets[1], and mass-downvoting people who conspicuously disagree with him in the hope of reducing their credibility (and maybe making them go away).
[1] That’s a plausible conjecture rather than (so far as I’m aware) something known to be true. Conditional on its being true, I would guess that his socks probably also upvote other people’s expressions of sociopolitical views compatible with his own.
=/ We should tell him the opportunity cost of this stuff is too large, don’t run down the clock on your life. Eugine_Nier go get a more productive way to channel this frustration.
Telling people to get more productive is dangerous—they actually might :-/
I wouldn’t expect that to go well.
He was originally banned for downvoting. That’s how we keep finding him.
He also holds contentious views and feels as though he is being silenced for his contentious views. As we know though; lesswrong is usually very happy to entertain contentious views so long as they are presented carefully and handled like the potential mindkillers that they are.
He would like his views to appear to his opposers that they are stronger than they are.
Contentious views are potential mind killers?
In the way that people treat them as identity issues, political party issues and blue/green (you’re either with us or you’re against us), they can be. I would say I see a light correlation between identity and mindkilled.
information around these ideas: http://lesswrong.com/lw/idj/use_your_identity_carefully/
His new account is (p=0.9) Crownless_Prince.
And (p=0.8) The_Bird is another. (Another pair of words that appears in Lepanto, though there’s nothing super-distinctive about that.)
Good catch on Lepanto :-)
It was GoodBurningPlastic who caught it, some time ago.
If he’s looking for a new account name, I suggest Timeless_Houri.
I had that down as a less plausible name...
And curiously (1) has, if my karma is anything to go by, been downvoting vigorously already even though (2) he’s currently sitting with karma=4, and I think you need >=10 to vote. But I think yesterday he had more. (I also thought I saw more comments yesterday in his overview than I do now, but perhaps I imagined that.)
What a surprise, somebody has been downvoting every comment in this subthread at least once.