there’s pressure to justify my preferences in terms of a higher-level explicit utility function before they can be considered valid
I experienced this too, though I claimed an explicit utility function (making self-replicating robots) that no one was prepared to argue with, so I didn’t get anyone telling me my feelings were irrational and should be ignored.
I also noticed some slow decision-making. Recommendation: in a large group, use a heuristic that takes less than 10 minutes of discussion to decide where/when to go for dinner.
The ‘veto method’ has worked quite well for me, although I haven’t tested it for groups larger than about ten.
Assuming that the group has reached a consensus on eating, any member of the group is free to suggest a restaurant. After the location is suggested, any member of the group can veto that suggestion, but in exchange the vetoing member is required to suggest a different restaurant. Repeat until a suggestion is made that no member of the group vetoes.
I’m not sure that any of those would take less than 10 minutes for a large group. Also, it gets tougher if any in the group have serious dietary or financial constraints.
Not a heuristic, but I would suggest an auction. Example: You have 5 people, A and B want seafood, C wants Thai, D wants Mexican, and E wants steak.
E—I’ll pay for 1% of everyone else’s bill if we get steak.
A -- 2%, seafood,
C -- 3%, Thai,
B -- 4% seafood
(all pass)
Result, A + B get the food they want, but C, D, and E pay less (with B picking up 2.67% of their bills and A picking up 1.33%).
There are edge cases where this doesn’t necessarily work well (e.g. someone with a severe food allergy gets stuck bidding a large amount to avoid getting poisoned), but overall I think it functions somewhat similarly to yootling.
I experienced this too, though I claimed an explicit utility function (making self-replicating robots) that no one was prepared to argue with, so I didn’t get anyone telling me my feelings were irrational and should be ignored.
I also noticed some slow decision-making. Recommendation: in a large group, use a heuristic that takes less than 10 minutes of discussion to decide where/when to go for dinner.
Any suggestions for a better heuristic?
The ‘veto method’ has worked quite well for me, although I haven’t tested it for groups larger than about ten.
Assuming that the group has reached a consensus on eating, any member of the group is free to suggest a restaurant. After the location is suggested, any member of the group can veto that suggestion, but in exchange the vetoing member is required to suggest a different restaurant. Repeat until a suggestion is made that no member of the group vetoes.
I’m not sure that any of those would take less than 10 minutes for a large group. Also, it gets tougher if any in the group have serious dietary or financial constraints.
Sure:
take a straw poll to see who wants to go get dinner at time X
if “enough” people want to go, they then pick a restaurant...
anyone can make a pitch for one new restaurant that the group should check out
in a group of n, one person suggests n*2/3 possible restaurants to eat dinner at (max. 7)
everyone else, one at a time, may then either pass or name 2⁄3 of the restaurants named by the person immediately before them
if reservations are required, calls to the restaurants are made when 2 possibilities remain
when only one restaurant is named, the group goes there.
This algorithm is a work in progress.
Not a heuristic, but I would suggest an auction. Example: You have 5 people, A and B want seafood, C wants Thai, D wants Mexican, and E wants steak.
E—I’ll pay for 1% of everyone else’s bill if we get steak. A -- 2%, seafood, C -- 3%, Thai, B -- 4% seafood (all pass)
Result, A + B get the food they want, but C, D, and E pay less (with B picking up 2.67% of their bills and A picking up 1.33%).
There are edge cases where this doesn’t necessarily work well (e.g. someone with a severe food allergy gets stuck bidding a large amount to avoid getting poisoned), but overall I think it functions somewhat similarly to yootling.