Appealing to people based on shared interests and values. Sharing specialized knowledge and associated jargon. Exhibiting a preference for like minded people. More likely to appeal to people actively looking to expand their social circle.
However, involvement in LW pulls people away from non-LWers.
But that is similarly gigantic—on this front, in my experience LW isn’t any worse than, say, joining a martial arts club. The hallmark of cultishness is that membership is contingent on actively cutting off contact with non-cult members.
Compared to a martial arts club, LW goals are typically more all-consuming. Martial arts is occasionally also about living well, while LW encourages optimizing all aspects of life.
Sure, that’s a distinction, but to the extent that one’s goals include making/maintaining social connections with people without regard to their involvement in LW so as to be happy and healthy, it’s a distinction that cuts against the idea that “involvement in LW pulls people away from non-LWers”.
This falls under the utility function is not up for grabs. It finds concrete expression in the goal factoring technique as developed by CFAR, which is designed to avoid failure modes like, e.g., cutting out the non-LWers one cares about due to some misguided notion that that’s what “rationality” requires.
Where the evidence for this is:
Appealing to people based on shared interests and values. Sharing specialized knowledge and associated jargon. Exhibiting a preference for like minded people. More likely to appeal to people actively looking to expand their social circle.
Seems a rather gigantic net to cast for “cults”.
Well, there’s this:
But that is similarly gigantic—on this front, in my experience LW isn’t any worse than, say, joining a martial arts club. The hallmark of cultishness is that membership is contingent on actively cutting off contact with non-cult members.
Compared to a martial arts club, LW goals are typically more all-consuming. Martial arts is occasionally also about living well, while LW encourages optimizing all aspects of life.
Sure, that’s a distinction, but to the extent that one’s goals include making/maintaining social connections with people without regard to their involvement in LW so as to be happy and healthy, it’s a distinction that cuts against the idea that “involvement in LW pulls people away from non-LWers”.
This falls under the utility function is not up for grabs. It finds concrete expression in the goal factoring technique as developed by CFAR, which is designed to avoid failure modes like, e.g., cutting out the non-LWers one cares about due to some misguided notion that that’s what “rationality” requires.