But that’s not helping people lose weight, IMO. That’s my point. Instrumental rationality suffers when we get too far away from the simple facts.
Discussion on LW about the problem of obesity aren’t just about instrumental rationality, they are also about epistemic rationality.
The discussion about Eliezer’s weight is one where the goal is having true beliefs.
My point is that I have experienced positive results not through moderation [...] I don’t know what you mean. I think you misunderstood me.
If you claim you achieve positive results that means you actually lost weight, reducing your body-fat or reducing your weight circumference.
If you achieved neither of those results, I don’t think there a basis for you claiming positive results at weight loss.
It doesn’t matter if that is through “Exercise” according to some formal definition.
It’s not a formal definition but the standard definition. The definition that you also use when you speak about exercising 5 times per weak. You are playing bailey-and-moat when you use different definitions and switch them up to win arguments.
For a person deciding whether or not to exercise, the effects of the decision to exercise matter a great deal. For people who burn less calories in days where they exercise and who want to lose weight that’s very valuable information. That’s the thing that matters if you care about instrumental rationality.
Discussion on LW about the problem of obesity aren’t just about instrumental rationality, they are also about epistemic rationality. The discussion about Eliezer’s weight is one where the goal is having true beliefs.
I agree. I think it’s useful to know why the diets that work are working. From my recall, discussions about low-carb diets, here and elsewhere, are particularly dumb.
If you claim you achieve positive results that means you actually lost weight, reducing your body-fat or reducing your weight circumference. If you achieved neither of those results, I don’t think there a basis for you claiming positive results at weight loss.
I’ve achieved both. Predictably. Mine is just one anecdotal case. It doesn’t mean much.
I’ve talked to enough people and seen plenty of results to feel confident enough to speak on the issue though.
Nutrition, by the way, is actually a complicated matter. It should be separated from simple weight loss in this discussion.
It’s not a formal definition but the standard definition. The definition that you also use when you speak about exercising 5 times per weak. You are playing bailey-and-moat when you use different definitions and switch them up to win arguments.
Have you actually made explicit predictions about individual cases?
Yes. I plan on beginning a diet and exercise program on Jan 1. If I stick to the diet and workout schedule, then I will lose weight (and gain strength) according to a predictable schedule.
Basketball does happen to do more than just burning calories. It’s social. It also trains coordiantion.
Yes. I plan on beginning a diet and exercise program on Jan 1. If I stick to the diet and workout schedule, then I will lose weight (and gain strength) according to a predictable schedule.
Basically I understand from that, that your past efforts didn’t bring you to the weight you like to have. That’s similar to Eliezer who lost weight by doing the Shangri La diet but who is still overweight.
How about making an explicit prediction about your weight/body-fat/BMI or waist circumference in a year and putting that prediction on predictionbook? Maybe relative changes if you don’t like to be public about the actual number.
Okay. And?
You have other active ingridents besides calories being burned in sport.
Basically I understand from that, that your past efforts didn’t bring you to the weight you like to have. That’s similar to Eliezer who lost weight by doing the Shangri La diet but who is still overweight.
No. I chose to lose weight after an injury made it impossible for me to powerlift. I’ve fluctuated some depending on fitness goals. Now I want to lose weight and perhaps try some endurance-based competitions. I typically go on 4-12 week strict plans where I use weight as one metric… but I’m not terribly concerned about my weight, focusing instead on overall fitness levels.
I have gained fat in the past due to general apathy, though. I lost it predictably when I paid attention to diet and exercise.
How about making an explicit prediction about your weight/body-fat/BMI or waist circumference in a year and putting that prediction on predictionbook? Maybe relative changes if you don’t like to be public about the actual number.
I’ve used Stickk in the past. It works well and often helps me overachieve.
You have other active ingridents besides calories being burned in sport.
We’re just missing each other on this point.
None of that matters. You just need a way to burn calories. Doesn’t have to be exercise according to any definition.
Discussion on LW about the problem of obesity aren’t just about instrumental rationality, they are also about epistemic rationality. The discussion about Eliezer’s weight is one where the goal is having true beliefs.
If you claim you achieve positive results that means you actually lost weight, reducing your body-fat or reducing your weight circumference. If you achieved neither of those results, I don’t think there a basis for you claiming positive results at weight loss.
It’s not a formal definition but the standard definition. The definition that you also use when you speak about exercising 5 times per weak. You are playing bailey-and-moat when you use different definitions and switch them up to win arguments.
For a person deciding whether or not to exercise, the effects of the decision to exercise matter a great deal. For people who burn less calories in days where they exercise and who want to lose weight that’s very valuable information. That’s the thing that matters if you care about instrumental rationality.
I agree. I think it’s useful to know why the diets that work are working. From my recall, discussions about low-carb diets, here and elsewhere, are particularly dumb.
I’ve achieved both. Predictably. Mine is just one anecdotal case. It doesn’t mean much.
I’ve talked to enough people and seen plenty of results to feel confident enough to speak on the issue though.
Nutrition, by the way, is actually a complicated matter. It should be separated from simple weight loss in this discussion.
You’re missing the point. You can Exercise© ZERO and lose weight, where exercise involves your standard definition. It doesn’t matter.
I find it useful to set aside Exercise© time because (1) I enjoy it and (2) it helps me form a mental habit.
In regard to the woman who finds it useful to shop, but not Exercise©, I get it. I don’t Run©, but I play basketball. I do this for a similar reason as she stated. I get tired and sore and bored and experience a low mood when I run. I’m happy and “competitively fulfilled” after playing basketball. Time flies and I am able to stay active for much longer.
The outcome is the same: Calories burned. More when I play basketball, since I tend to do it for longer.
Have you actually made explicit predictions about individual cases?
Basketball does happen to do more than just burning calories. It’s social. It also trains coordiantion.
Yes. I plan on beginning a diet and exercise program on Jan 1. If I stick to the diet and workout schedule, then I will lose weight (and gain strength) according to a predictable schedule.
Okay. And?
Basically I understand from that, that your past efforts didn’t bring you to the weight you like to have. That’s similar to Eliezer who lost weight by doing the Shangri La diet but who is still overweight.
How about making an explicit prediction about your weight/body-fat/BMI or waist circumference in a year and putting that prediction on predictionbook? Maybe relative changes if you don’t like to be public about the actual number.
You have other active ingridents besides calories being burned in sport.
No. I chose to lose weight after an injury made it impossible for me to powerlift. I’ve fluctuated some depending on fitness goals. Now I want to lose weight and perhaps try some endurance-based competitions. I typically go on 4-12 week strict plans where I use weight as one metric… but I’m not terribly concerned about my weight, focusing instead on overall fitness levels.
I have gained fat in the past due to general apathy, though. I lost it predictably when I paid attention to diet and exercise.
I’ve used Stickk in the past. It works well and often helps me overachieve.
We’re just missing each other on this point.
None of that matters. You just need a way to burn calories. Doesn’t have to be exercise according to any definition.