But usually… I observe that people underestimate the costs of what they ask for, or perhaps just act on instinct, and set their prices way way way too high. If the nonconformist crowd ever wants to get anything done together, we need to move in the direction of joining groups and staying there at least a little more easily. Even in the face of annoyances and imperfections! Even in the face of unresponsiveness to our own better ideas!
The voting system is overall doing its job well. Great posts reliably find their way to the top, we’re not overrun by newbies taking all the attention (I claim), and a number of other good things.
If I find out a lot of people this whole time have been voting using an algorithm that seems bad to me… it’s not my favorite thing, but I can live with it, clearly. I won’t escalate very much on that fight, and I don’t think it’s worth it to escalate too much.
I don’t mean with this comment to take an object level stance on the question at hand.
My strong language is an expression of annoyance, not anger, just to avoid misunderstanding.
The effects of a voting system depend on how people use it. For example, you could have exactly the same voting mechanism and a group norm of “upvote everything that contains your ingroup’s applause lights, and downvote everything that contains your outgroup’s applause lights” and the effects would be quite different.
If it becomes common knowledge that “you should sometimes downvote the stuff you like, and upvote the stuff you don’t like”, gods help us all. I am trying to fight this… emerging group norm.
On reflection, “downvoting a comment you like but not too much” is the lesser problem here. What makes my blood boil is people strategically upvoting comments that “are stupid, but I think that −10 karma goes a bit too far”. But I assume the same norm covers both.
By the way, I think (~80%) you were the one who once made a comment mentioning that you consider current karma in your votes. That comment was what got me thinking about this in the first place.
That makes sense. I was thinking of saying something in an answer/comment. I agree with many of the critiques in this thread, has been pretty helpful, so thanks for setting it up.
I am inclined to take your strong language as expressive, kind of like Shia LaBeouf roaring at me.
But in case not, I think it’s good to remember Your Price For Joining.
The voting system is overall doing its job well. Great posts reliably find their way to the top, we’re not overrun by newbies taking all the attention (I claim), and a number of other good things.
If I find out a lot of people this whole time have been voting using an algorithm that seems bad to me… it’s not my favorite thing, but I can live with it, clearly. I won’t escalate very much on that fight, and I don’t think it’s worth it to escalate too much.
I don’t mean with this comment to take an object level stance on the question at hand.
My strong language is an expression of annoyance, not anger, just to avoid misunderstanding.
The effects of a voting system depend on how people use it. For example, you could have exactly the same voting mechanism and a group norm of “upvote everything that contains your ingroup’s applause lights, and downvote everything that contains your outgroup’s applause lights” and the effects would be quite different.
If it becomes common knowledge that “you should sometimes downvote the stuff you like, and upvote the stuff you don’t like”, gods help us all. I am trying to fight this… emerging group norm.
On reflection, “downvoting a comment you like but not too much” is the lesser problem here. What makes my blood boil is people strategically upvoting comments that “are stupid, but I think that −10 karma goes a bit too far”. But I assume the same norm covers both.
(Thx for the reply, that makes sense. Will try to get around to writing my own answer on this thread soon.)
By the way, I think (~80%) you were the one who once made a comment mentioning that you consider current karma in your votes. That comment was what got me thinking about this in the first place.
That makes sense. I was thinking of saying something in an answer/comment. I agree with many of the critiques in this thread, has been pretty helpful, so thanks for setting it up.