I can point out that other cultures, especially Asia, sometimes do things differently. Therefore the “different settings” are also valid.
I think it is not unusual among conservatives to accept that different cultures have different rules. “The traditions must be followed” can coexist with “we follow our traditions, and they follow their traditions”. There are multiple valid options, but everyone should stick with the one they grew up with. We believe that our option is the best one, but we respect that others may believe otherwise.
Interaction between cultures requires finding out the intersection, the behavior that is acceptable to both sides. Cultures used to deal with strangers can have a distinction between “this is forbidden to us, but okay for the other side if their culture permits it”, such as eating taboo foods, and “this is forbidden and must be punished, no exception”, such as blasphemy against our god(s). Sometimes things are “forbidden in our territory, and that also applies to visitors; but when I am a visitor at your territory, your rules apply”.
Now that I think about it, I am probably much closer to the progressive end of the spectrum than to the conservative one. Yet, when I interact with conservatives, I usually find it easy to follow the above-mentioned rules, and the protocol works, despite the object-level differences. The interactions with progressives are more difficult, because despite many object-level similarities, we do not have a good protocol to deal with the few differences. That is, the protocol itself seems to be conservative, while the progressive protocol is… how to put it politely… “if you are not 100% with us, you are against us”?
Sure. My point is the OP is not just saying these traditions are traditional but that we should follow them because they are proven to work by the fact of our existence.
And I am just saying this is suboptimal. Even if I can’t make up a new tradition—say a new holiday for my bi roommate and me and our children together and her girlfriend to all celebrate—I should at least steal working ideas from the best.
In slightly clearer terms:
what should I do in my life?
rational answer: Output = max( utility_heuristic( alternative actions) ). Output = watch more catgirl porn.
Conservative Answer: Output = (Query(“What did my parents do”)) Output= “watch more Fox News”
Optimized answer: Output = (“Query(“what did the most successful parents do?”)) Output = “invite parents to live in house to provide child raising help and find me a wife”
I think it is not unusual among conservatives to accept that different cultures have different rules. “The traditions must be followed” can coexist with “we follow our traditions, and they follow their traditions”. There are multiple valid options, but everyone should stick with the one they grew up with. We believe that our option is the best one, but we respect that others may believe otherwise.
Interaction between cultures requires finding out the intersection, the behavior that is acceptable to both sides. Cultures used to deal with strangers can have a distinction between “this is forbidden to us, but okay for the other side if their culture permits it”, such as eating taboo foods, and “this is forbidden and must be punished, no exception”, such as blasphemy against our god(s). Sometimes things are “forbidden in our territory, and that also applies to visitors; but when I am a visitor at your territory, your rules apply”.
Now that I think about it, I am probably much closer to the progressive end of the spectrum than to the conservative one. Yet, when I interact with conservatives, I usually find it easy to follow the above-mentioned rules, and the protocol works, despite the object-level differences. The interactions with progressives are more difficult, because despite many object-level similarities, we do not have a good protocol to deal with the few differences. That is, the protocol itself seems to be conservative, while the progressive protocol is… how to put it politely… “if you are not 100% with us, you are against us”?
Sure. My point is the OP is not just saying these traditions are traditional but that we should follow them because they are proven to work by the fact of our existence.
And I am just saying this is suboptimal. Even if I can’t make up a new tradition—say a new holiday for my bi roommate and me and our children together and her girlfriend to all celebrate—I should at least steal working ideas from the best.
In slightly clearer terms:
what should I do in my life?
rational answer: Output = max( utility_heuristic( alternative actions) ). Output = watch more catgirl porn. Conservative Answer: Output = (Query(“What did my parents do”)) Output= “watch more Fox News” Optimized answer: Output = (“Query(“what did the most successful parents do?”)) Output = “invite parents to live in house to provide child raising help and find me a wife”