“Statement B is a ‘is’ statement too. ‘Is it good or bad’ is by definition an ought statement.”
Yes obviously, but it is “more concerned” about “ought”. It is hard to make formulaic examples because it is also a grammar thing.
“Who argues what? Some argue that the earth’s flat. This doesn’t make it worth discussing.”
Sorry but this argument is very often regurgitated everywhere by “smart people” in this form. It is bit baffling to me why you think otherwise.
“This would not amount to an ‘ought’ statement.”
Okay this again. It is quite common in discussions to “pretend” that a statement is an “ought” statement if the underlying subtext is clear.
For example if things happened in the past or aren’t formulated as an imperative can be “ought” statements plainly because they center around ethics or values.
“I think a better framing of the picture you paint (especially about the ‘gender debate’) is given in this article.”
I think you are referring to this part:
“There is an anti-transgender argument that I take very seriously. The argument goes: we are rationalists. Our entire shtick is trying to believe what’s actually true, not on what we wish were true, or what our culture tells us is true, or what it’s popular to say is true. If a man thinks he’s a woman, then we might (empathetically) wish he were a woman, other people might demand we call him a woman, and we might be much more popular if we say he’s a woman. But if we’re going to be rationalists who focus on believing what’s actually true, then we’ve got to call him a man and take the consequences.”
I don’t want to frame discussions but I gave an example how discussions can be inauthentic.
Before I start, I want to define a few terms.
Ontology: Concerned with the most fundamental aspects of existence and categories.
Essence: The “stuff” that makes matter more than what it is but has never been seen or found. Essence is like the core personality of something. It’s what makes a thing uniquely itself, no matter how much you change its appearance or circumstances. The true nature or soul of anything, whether it’s a person, a tree, or even an idea. Imagine two tomatoes growing on the French and Spanish sides of the border from the same crop. In the end, you have a French tomato and a Spanish tomato because of their “essence.” For me, essence is one of the biggest biases out there.
Useful: This is an abstractionist concept (as by D. Dennett). We pretend that things have essence because it’s useful, not because essence is real.
Authentic: I am arguing outside as dictated by what is logical to inside. Arguing that homosexuals may enter heaven to evade from my inner beliefs is inauthentic.
Scientific realism, Empiricism, Rationalism, etc., all lean heavily towards Nominalism and Materialism, meaning they are highly skeptical about “essence” as a general rule.
With this, we look at 99% of the discussions around gender:
We are rationalists. Our entire shtick is trying to believe what’s actually true, not on what we wish were true (Implying that a transgender woman is not a woman because a lacking woman essence and the person is calling this out.)
Here, the “rationalist” is essentialising “woman” as if it is something that is an inherent property that he will name for truth’s sake HOWEVER the other side is also essentialising woman because it is saying that transgender woman are “real woman”.
The discussion is inauthentic as both rationalism and social constructivism are strongly anti-essentialist.
Now, if a Radical Christian says, “That’s not a woman,” this should be regarded as authentic regardless of whether the statement is right.
Yes obviously, but it is “more concerned” about “ought”. It is hard to make formulaic examples because it is also a grammar thing.
Sorry but this argument is very often regurgitated everywhere by “smart people” in this form. It is bit baffling to me why you think otherwise.
Okay this again. It is quite common in discussions to “pretend” that a statement is an “ought” statement if the underlying subtext is clear.
For example if things happened in the past or aren’t formulated as an imperative can be “ought” statements plainly because they center around ethics or values.
I think you are referring to this part:
I don’t want to frame discussions but I gave an example how discussions can be inauthentic.
Before I start, I want to define a few terms.
Ontology: Concerned with the most fundamental aspects of existence and categories.
Essence: The “stuff” that makes matter more than what it is but has never been seen or found. Essence is like the core personality of something. It’s what makes a thing uniquely itself, no matter how much you change its appearance or circumstances. The true nature or soul of anything, whether it’s a person, a tree, or even an idea.
Imagine two tomatoes growing on the French and Spanish sides of the border from the same crop. In the end, you have a French tomato and a Spanish tomato because of their “essence.” For me, essence is one of the biggest biases out there.
Useful: This is an abstractionist concept (as by D. Dennett). We pretend that things have essence because it’s useful, not because essence is real.
Authentic: I am arguing outside as dictated by what is logical to inside. Arguing that homosexuals may enter heaven to evade from my inner beliefs is inauthentic.
Scientific realism, Empiricism, Rationalism, etc., all lean heavily towards Nominalism and Materialism, meaning they are highly skeptical about “essence” as a general rule.
With this, we look at 99% of the discussions around gender:
Here, the “rationalist” is essentialising “woman” as if it is something that is an inherent property that he will name for truth’s sake HOWEVER the other side is also essentialising woman because it is saying that transgender woman are “real woman”.
The discussion is inauthentic as both rationalism and social constructivism are strongly anti-essentialist.
Now, if a Radical Christian says, “That’s not a woman,” this should be regarded as authentic regardless of whether the statement is right.