This all ‘sounds’, I dunno, kind of routine? Like, weird terminology aside, they talked to one another a bunch, then ran out of money and closed down, yeah? And the Zoe stuff boils down to ‘we hired an actress but we are not an acting troupe so after a while she didn’t have anything to do, felt useless and bailed’.
I mean, did anything ‘real’ come out of Leverage? I don’t want to misunderstand here. This was a bunch of talk about demons and energies and other gibberish, but ultimately it is just ‘a bunch of people got together and burned through some money’, right?
I dunno, good on em for getting someone to pay them in the first place, I guess. Talking people into writing the big checks is a big deal skill. Maybe coach that.
I feel like if you read Zoe’s medium post, read the parts where she described enduring cPTSD symptoms like panic attacks, flashbacks and paranoia consistently for two years after leaving Leverage, and then rounded that off to ‘she felt useless and bailed’ then, idk dude, we live in two different worlds.
That was quite insensitive, I agree, but I think that Walter is asking, from the perspective of Leverage’s mission, what exactly they actually did in that direction. Like, only the productivity part, not the work environment part.
If you ignore the abuse and demons and whatever, and only consider “money spent” and “things produced”… that kind of perspective. (Imagine a parallel universe, where no abuse happened, you never heard about the demons, you just sent $10000 to support Leverage because you liked the sales pitch. Would you now consider it money well spent?)
I wouldn’t, but I also wouldn’t consider that to be the case for many of the speculative startups I’ve worked at, in hindsight.
I consider ‘wasting millions of dollars’ to be a shitty thing to do, but also unfortunately common. I think focusing on whether the money was wasted is distracting (and perhaps dismissive) away from the stories being told.
This may be a crux; Walter may just value personal suffering versus use of economic resources differently to me.
This all ‘sounds’, I dunno, kind of routine? Like, weird terminology aside, they talked to one another a bunch, then ran out of money and closed down, yeah? And the Zoe stuff boils down to ‘we hired an actress but we are not an acting troupe so after a while she didn’t have anything to do, felt useless and bailed’.
I mean, did anything ‘real’ come out of Leverage? I don’t want to misunderstand here. This was a bunch of talk about demons and energies and other gibberish, but ultimately it is just ‘a bunch of people got together and burned through some money’, right?
I dunno, good on em for getting someone to pay them in the first place, I guess. Talking people into writing the big checks is a big deal skill. Maybe coach that.
I feel like if you read Zoe’s medium post, read the parts where she described enduring cPTSD symptoms like panic attacks, flashbacks and paranoia consistently for two years after leaving Leverage, and then rounded that off to ‘she felt useless and bailed’ then, idk dude, we live in two different worlds.
That was quite insensitive, I agree, but I think that Walter is asking, from the perspective of Leverage’s mission, what exactly they actually did in that direction. Like, only the productivity part, not the work environment part.
If you ignore the abuse and demons and whatever, and only consider “money spent” and “things produced”… that kind of perspective. (Imagine a parallel universe, where no abuse happened, you never heard about the demons, you just sent $10000 to support Leverage because you liked the sales pitch. Would you now consider it money well spent?)
I wouldn’t, but I also wouldn’t consider that to be the case for many of the speculative startups I’ve worked at, in hindsight.
I consider ‘wasting millions of dollars’ to be a shitty thing to do, but also unfortunately common. I think focusing on whether the money was wasted is distracting (and perhaps dismissive) away from the stories being told.
This may be a crux; Walter may just value personal suffering versus use of economic resources differently to me.